Comparison left vs right for a craftsman who doesnt know which one he should buy:

  • l/r same bed size

  • r lower bed for way easier loading/unloading

  • r less likely to crash

  • r less fuel consumption and costs

  • r less expensive to repair

  • r easy to park

  • r easy to get around in narrow places like crowded construction sites or towns

  • r not participating in road arms race

  • l You get taken serious by your fellow carbrained americans because ““trucks”” are normalized and small handy cars are ridiculed.

So unless you are a fragile piece of human, choose the right one.

  • inge
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    31 year ago

    If you need to tow something that heavy once a year, you are not buying a car for that.

    • @FlexibleToast
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      21 year ago

      I mean, I wouldn’t but that thing still has to get moved somehow. That truck still has to be available somehow.

      • inge
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        41 year ago

        Yes, you can always rent one when you need it.

        • @FlexibleToast
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          41 year ago

          I don’t think the big family that is going on their once or maybe twice a year camping trip with their large trailer is going to rent a truck for their vacation. But, yes that’s a possibility.

          • @[email protected]
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            21 year ago

            I mean if our culture wasn’t so car centric and centered around instant gratification that wouldn’t be an issue, it’s not too hard to rent a car at all, especially if you’ve been planning a year long trip. Not trying to soapbox here, though, I’m very reliant on my car too and see doing all that as an inconvenience, but I realize how absurd it is to feel that way.

            • @FlexibleToast
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              21 year ago

              You’re right, but I would add that we need more vacation days. People want to squeeze out as much vacation time as possible. And of course there are always exceptions. For instance my grandparents owned a trailer that they would only use during the summer. They owned a truck to be able to tow it, but legitimately moved it only a couple of times a year but also for months at a time. The bill to rent a truck for months would be outrageous. The other option I guess would be to rent a truck for the drive to move it around and then swap for a car when they get there. Or rent a truck and have the other person follow along in a smaller car that they own. It’s all a lot of hassle for people that rarely drive and rarely tow.

              Personally I’m a huge fan of these small trucks coming out. The Hyundai Santa Cruz and the Ford Maverick are nice balances imo. Yet they still can’t tow a large camper.

              • @[email protected]
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                11 year ago

                You are definitely right about vacation days; I guess I never really consider that people would be in their trailer for months at a time, so that’s a good point. But it’s not like people in other countries don’t ever go on vacation, so I wonder what their planning looks like? Pointing to cars is just one thing but I think the frustrating thing is just the extreme excessive consumption habits we have in the US.

                As an aside I’d be really curious to see breakdowns of like, all of the big truck owners and how often they use their trucks for towing, work, etc.

                • @FlexibleToast
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                  11 year ago

                  But it’s not like people in other countries don’t ever go on vacation, so I wonder what their planning looks like?

                  Road trips aren’t as common in places with robust public transit. I would bet that road trips and trailer camping are probably the biggest here in America.

                  Pointing to cars is just one thing but I think the frustrating thing is just the extreme excessive consumption habits we have in the US.

                  I absolutely agree with this. But there is a middle ground between the giant truck and the KEI truck. Especially when I use my small truck more as a partner vehicle than anything. A tiny KEI truck just would not fit the bill for 4 adults to ride in. But I also don’t need the giant truck.

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 year ago

                  The solution in other countries:

                  Carry a lighter trailer, you don’t need to tow a whole house with you.

                  Here in Germany your usual driver’s licence (costing around 3k nowadays, btw) only allows you to drive vehicles rated to max 3500kg and towing up to 750kg. Anything else requires another (also expensive) licence.

                  Want to tow up to 3500kg? That will be mandatory drivers classes and a driving exam. Total cost about 1k. Want to drive a vehicle rated over 3500kg? That requires a truck licence, so more drivers classes, a medical, a theory and a practical exam. Total cost would be around 5k I guess, also you get to renew it every 5 years.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    11 year ago

                    Hey sorry it took ancouple of days to respond, your reply got lost in my inbox. That’s wild how expensive it is to drive! Kinda sucks that it seems like it may be reserved for more well off people but at least there is usable, robust public transport.

                    Sotry if this sounds really stupid, but can I ask what a normal vacation might entail/what kinds of transit do you use? For example I like to camp and there would be no way for me to get to camp sites and such without my own vehicle. And if a drivers license is so expensive it sounds like it would be really prohibitive to rent a car for something like that