Yellow, which received a pandemic loan, is winding down operations ahead of an expected bankruptcy filing. The closure of the company would mean the loss of about 30,000 jobs.
That loan saved the pensions of those people working at Yellow, if you maybe want to take that into account while you’re fitting people for black hats.
Were they not covered because of a technicality (for example being a contractor versus an employee), or did ERISA just fail to make them whole as they should have?
401ks are still related to the person’s place of employment, so they don’t actually solve that problem. I’d rather see us ditch them in favor of higher contribution limits to IRAs.
Defined-contribution retirement plans (401ks and IRAs) in general are not an adequate replacement for defined-benefit ones (pensions and Social Security) because, frankly, people are too stupid on average to plan properly for their future. And even if you think stupid people deserve what they get, it’s still a problem that affects you because of the collective burden massive numbers of indigent elderly would put on society.
401ks never should’ve been created, and the replacement for private employer pensions should’ve been an expansion of Social Security.
(I say all this as someone with much larger than average retirement savings who’s aiming for FIRE, by the way. This is a critique of the system from someone who has benefited from it, not sour grapes from a stereotypical poor millennial.)
TL;DR: I keep my household expenses very low (roughly $30k/year) and save a very high percentage of my income so that I can retire very early. The pandemic changed my plans a bit, but I’m expecting to be done by age 45. (By the way, to address a common criticism of the idea: "retire"means doing whatever I want without being beholden to working for a wage, not necessarily vegging out in front of the TV and stagnating as certain workaholics assume. The important distinction is that I could choose to work if I wanted, but wouldn’t need to.)
I might agree with you if I had the option of opting out of Social Security. It’s an absolute disaster and it’ll never be fixed. You can say it should be, but if we’re debating impractical solutions we may as well just include “everyone lives forever and always has everything they ever need”.
401ks are a time bomb waiting to go off. If / when there’s another severe stock market crash (and make no mistake one is coming) tens of millions of retirees are suddenly going to be penniless.
If a crash of that magnitude happens it’s not like social security would fare any better. At that point you’re talking about full scale economic disaster that affects the entire world.
It doesn’t require a full scale Great Depression style meltdown, the ‘downturn’ of 2008 caused significant difficult for many, it simply requires a sharp enough retraction of Investment Capital. That retraction is already in progress as the retirement rate for Boomers escalates and more of them begin selling their stocks and bonds; either directly or through their retirement instruments like 401ks and Pensions.
I’m not a doomer but I am fairly convinced that 401ks are a timebomb.
401Ks are just investment accounts. They have exactly as much risk as you expose yourself to. Balance your portfolio, use index funds intelligently, don’t put all your eggs in one basket, and you’ll be fine.
The US fucked this up during WWII when it froze wages to prevent businesses from swiping the limited number of available employees from each other. So instead of wages employers started offering benefits instead, two of the commonly offered benefits were Pensions and Medical Insurance.
As a nation we really should fix these problems but doing so would be hella expensive and perhaps even impossible as we’re hitting the same demographic off-ramp that France and so many other Western Nations are already on.
Even if it did, it’s not like the government has lifted a finger to help any other workers or students recently, and actively works to make their lives harder instead.
That loan saved the pensions of those people working at Yellow, if you maybe want to take that into account while you’re fitting people for black hats.
If the pensions were at risk due to the company’s bankruptcy, something has gone very wrong. Generally, pension funds are protected under ERISA.
There’s a whole lot of Coal Miners who would argue that point.
Were they not covered because of a technicality (for example being a contractor versus an employee), or did ERISA just fail to make them whole as they should have?
Jeez, since when does asking a honest question deserve a downvote?
I still don’t understand why a person’s pension is in any way related to their place of employment.
You and me both, I much prefer the 401K model.
401ks are still related to the person’s place of employment, so they don’t actually solve that problem. I’d rather see us ditch them in favor of higher contribution limits to IRAs.
Defined-contribution retirement plans (401ks and IRAs) in general are not an adequate replacement for defined-benefit ones (pensions and Social Security) because, frankly, people are too stupid on average to plan properly for their future. And even if you think stupid people deserve what they get, it’s still a problem that affects you because of the collective burden massive numbers of indigent elderly would put on society.
401ks never should’ve been created, and the replacement for private employer pensions should’ve been an expansion of Social Security.
(I say all this as someone with much larger than average retirement savings who’s aiming for FIRE, by the way. This is a critique of the system from someone who has benefited from it, not sour grapes from a stereotypical poor millennial.)
Don’t understand, could you elaborate? FIRE?
“Financial Independence; Retire Early.” See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement
TL;DR: I keep my household expenses very low (roughly $30k/year) and save a very high percentage of my income so that I can retire very early. The pandemic changed my plans a bit, but I’m expecting to be done by age 45. (By the way, to address a common criticism of the idea: "retire"means doing whatever I want without being beholden to working for a wage, not necessarily vegging out in front of the TV and stagnating as certain workaholics assume. The important distinction is that I could choose to work if I wanted, but wouldn’t need to.)
Related, yes, but if I leave my job I don’t lose my 401K. I like my employer matching funds in it.
I might agree with you if I had the option of opting out of Social Security. It’s an absolute disaster and it’ll never be fixed. You can say it should be, but if we’re debating impractical solutions we may as well just include “everyone lives forever and always has everything they ever need”.
401ks are a time bomb waiting to go off. If / when there’s another severe stock market crash (and make no mistake one is coming) tens of millions of retirees are suddenly going to be penniless.
If a crash of that magnitude happens it’s not like social security would fare any better. At that point you’re talking about full scale economic disaster that affects the entire world.
It doesn’t require a full scale Great Depression style meltdown, the ‘downturn’ of 2008 caused significant difficult for many, it simply requires a sharp enough retraction of Investment Capital. That retraction is already in progress as the retirement rate for Boomers escalates and more of them begin selling their stocks and bonds; either directly or through their retirement instruments like 401ks and Pensions.
I’m not a doomer but I am fairly convinced that 401ks are a timebomb.
401Ks are just investment accounts. They have exactly as much risk as you expose yourself to. Balance your portfolio, use index funds intelligently, don’t put all your eggs in one basket, and you’ll be fine.
The US fucked this up during WWII when it froze wages to prevent businesses from swiping the limited number of available employees from each other. So instead of wages employers started offering benefits instead, two of the commonly offered benefits were Pensions and Medical Insurance.
As a nation we really should fix these problems but doing so would be hella expensive and perhaps even impossible as we’re hitting the same demographic off-ramp that France and so many other Western Nations are already on.
That’d be a one off. Most emergency loans went to the executive branch
Even if it did, it’s not like the government has lifted a finger to help any other workers or students recently, and actively works to make their lives harder instead.
The railroad protest worked out great haha 😁
Pensions are often the first thing that gets raided by corporate assholes.