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There is no conspiracy here.
If governments wanted, they’d subvent environmental options to be more feasible to the population. They just don’t. Corporates don’t have the incentive, so it’s not expected from them.
governments can only want what the people want
look at the outcry when the Ukraine-War slightly increased the gas-prices - now imagine what would happen if Governments skewed the product-costs towards the real costs for the environments
The change has to start with the people so the governments have a chance to actually change anything without commiting political suicide
noone is forcing people to buy meat - they do it because it’s far too cheap for what it causes to the environment - which government do you ever see increasing meat-prices tenfold if only a handful of people shows them that they are open to go without meat deliverately?
And people want something out of the options given to them. Corporates make the choices, people pick out of that.
If every option is regulated up, people have even less options. Ecological options need to be cheaper to adjust human behaviour.
People are not one homogeneous group with enough power to be the change. It’s an ideal to be strived for, sure, but against the capitalist present situation.
but there are responsible options - people are just too lazy (flying, driving) or too entitled to change their habits (meat, milk, also driving) to make the right choice. Sure sometimes it’s more expensive but many times it’s actually less expensive (like biking or not eating meat) but people still don’t care enough to make those changes to their habits and are actually furious if politicians are only suggesting that they should.
but they actually are - many cities are already making it harder for people to drive a car there and far easier to use the bikes because people living there want it that way. Or for example the biggest producer of meat-replacements in Germany was a purely meat-producing company 20 years ago and are currently on a trajectory to not produce meat anymore because people kept buying their replacements in an amount that their profits from those surpassed those from meat a couple of years ago.
Voting with your wallet totally works.
Yes. Those sakes are because capitalism rewards the perpetual laziness (flying is easier and faster than hopping on board a freight diesel ship, many countries make driving the norm) & entitledness.
And yes, some cities are becoming better as in with bike lanes and such. If the people as a homogeneous group were the factor without capitalism interfering to their behavior, that would already be the norm.
Change happens slowly because current beneficiaries stifle the want to change from reaching the critical mass as long as they can.
Voting with wallets is a nice sentiment, but it’s out of reach for so many that we need to stop blaming the population for its wants and needs. The majority of the responsibility is in bigger hands.
The possibility for a locally sourced good beef needs to be on the same line for any person. Same goes for the solar powered flight. Or the bike infrastructure.
Without even options, pushing responsibility to the few capable and informed is just a capitalist/corporate distraction.
I think the main problem is that this isn’t just the owners of some corporation but also the average citizen.
it’s objectively a downgrade if you don’t have the option to fly for holiday and see other cultures every year. It’s definitely a downgrade to have to adhere to train-schedules instead of just hopping into your car.
the problem is always “why should I do it if others don’t” and then nothing moves - and since it looks to politicians as if noone wants to do anything they don’t implement measures…
solar powered flight won’t happen as batteries are too heavy - that’s imho the main-thing we should use hydrogen for (other than perhaps chemical/steel-companies)
beef is never a good option because of the amount of food you need to even get to the end-product - it’s just too inefficient. And in a world where we already destroy enough species by climate change we will need to cut down on chemicals to kill the few insects that are left and in result the birds that rely on them and do even worse damage to the ecosystem that we can’t even comprehend. but if we don’t use chemicals to kill insects we will need more space to grow the same amount of food and we just don’t have the luxury of using that to feed cows in order to get to meat.
not to mention that “locally sourced beef” won’t help if it’s food is soy coming from a farm that was rainforrest 5 years ago
it’s just a huge prisoner’s dilemma and noone wants to be the first person or the first country to move out of fear that others might exploit that. I mean you have people online telling everyone stating that they are vegan for the climate that they’ll eat twice as much meat now just to make up for it - or people flying multiple times a year since they just don’t care. Social responsibility never will work on it’s own but without it there won’t be any laws…
Yes. That very much complements my comments. It’s part of the trickle-down illusion. We only get to choose from what makes the most money and already kind of sucks (in general. Not many really can be a homestead hermit)