Simplifying is really different from what they did which is completely alter characters, unnecessarily kill off characters, introduce new plots that didn’t exist, etc. The Lord of the Rings movies, and the recent Dune movie both did a lot of that but are considered fantastic adaptations. Even Game of Thrones was an excellent adaptation for the first ~5 seasons and had huge mass market appeal while still being complex.
man the dune movie was so interesting sounding and watching it was such a … idk… it was an experience. There was so much stuff that seemed so loosely strung together to the point of feeling almost baffling. I wouldn’t think LoTR or early GoT are comparable?
You might need to go back and watch it again. I had a completely different experience, and I found the plot rather cohesive. It’s one of the best movies I’ve ever seen in my opinion.
I felt like Dune needed some prior knowledge of the books to really follow the plot. Not because the plot wasn’t cohesive, but because so much plot was condensed into a movie that was already 2 and half hours long. It’s not the fault of the movie, the book is just dense. But it does end up disorienting for the average viewer who can’t instantly adjust their understanding of the universe to fully follow the plot.
That’s fair. I never read the books or even watched the original movie, but I do have fans in my circle that have given me a bit of an indirect knowledge of the Duniverse. Even still, the acting, the cinematography, the music, everything in this movie is just amazing to me.
It 10000% needed some sort of prior knowledge. Me and my SO were both so baffled by it I went and watched a YT video about it, because I was determined to figure out wtf I just saw. After I saw the video (it was like a very lengthy extrapolation of the universe/etc) THEN it all made sense.
For context I went to see Interstellar without knowing what the plot/etc was, that was cohesive. The new dune was … it was not that imo. I get they’re different types of stories, what have you, but the narrative/plot devices in it were like esoteric at best and I don’t feel like it gave you enough to really “figure it out” while it was happening? Ehm like a bunch of different snapshots strung together in a movie.
Also to be honest after the whole lore dump on the world , it feels like they could have done so much more with it and just chose really… bland stuff. I believe my original takeaway was: I wish they would have just done a series with it. Which, sadly tend to have poor track records but idk.
I feel like it would have catered so much more to the characters and sort of political situations and really built up the world in a way that a movie can’t or just doesn’t have the airtime for. I also feel like with how they shot scenes that had SO much subtle backstory/lore you’d only know from being very familiar with it, something like a series would have really immersed the viewer IN the culture and world, not just kind of witnessing it for 2 1/2 hours of ???.
That’s odd because I barely had second hand knowledge of the story, and it made perfect sense to me. Which part in particular did you find confusing before you looked it up yourself?
Going to be completely honest, a lot of it. It probably wasn’t a good fit for me overall but it was just generally hard to sit through or pay attention to because a) didn’t make sense b) was boring/felt pointless/meaningless (in context).
Which idk, for example, I love David Lynch and adore his style; a lot of it can be pretty abstract/artsy. I can sit through that because it is engaging (to me). I get artsy stuff, it doesn’t have to be like p l o t driven constantly. Like the only things coming to mind rn is when they get to the spice planet or whatever and they have the convo with the idk gardener, and the whole time I was just like “why is this in here? why do I care about this interaction? I know I’m never going to see him again.” The whole thing with spiderman’s girlfriend was also just? boring? and very scripted? Like I get being prophesized or whatever sure, but it was just very “ah good we’ve met! anyways”. And it was supposedly super important finding her and ?
Also the whole thing with the trial was also like almost there, like it was soooo close to being really polished. The scene is probably one of the better ones imo, but they just didn’t sell why it was important enough? It’s really hard to explain.
All of the stuff though made sense aaafter seeing the YT video and it made the movies approach make more sense. I just needed something to bridge the gap.
It took itself too seriously and the acting felt very meh, the plot was very meh, and while I overall appreciated the cinematography, it was not enough to sell the rest of the movie.
Yeah, blame your customers.
Simplifying is really different from what they did which is completely alter characters, unnecessarily kill off characters, introduce new plots that didn’t exist, etc. The Lord of the Rings movies, and the recent Dune movie both did a lot of that but are considered fantastic adaptations. Even Game of Thrones was an excellent adaptation for the first ~5 seasons and had huge mass market appeal while still being complex.
This is just shitty writers making excuses.
man the dune movie was so interesting sounding and watching it was such a … idk… it was an experience. There was so much stuff that seemed so loosely strung together to the point of feeling almost baffling. I wouldn’t think LoTR or early GoT are comparable?
:shrug: I liked it.
You might need to go back and watch it again. I had a completely different experience, and I found the plot rather cohesive. It’s one of the best movies I’ve ever seen in my opinion.
I felt like Dune needed some prior knowledge of the books to really follow the plot. Not because the plot wasn’t cohesive, but because so much plot was condensed into a movie that was already 2 and half hours long. It’s not the fault of the movie, the book is just dense. But it does end up disorienting for the average viewer who can’t instantly adjust their understanding of the universe to fully follow the plot.
That’s fair. I never read the books or even watched the original movie, but I do have fans in my circle that have given me a bit of an indirect knowledge of the Duniverse. Even still, the acting, the cinematography, the music, everything in this movie is just amazing to me.
It 10000% needed some sort of prior knowledge. Me and my SO were both so baffled by it I went and watched a YT video about it, because I was determined to figure out wtf I just saw. After I saw the video (it was like a very lengthy extrapolation of the universe/etc) THEN it all made sense.
For context I went to see Interstellar without knowing what the plot/etc was, that was cohesive. The new dune was … it was not that imo. I get they’re different types of stories, what have you, but the narrative/plot devices in it were like esoteric at best and I don’t feel like it gave you enough to really “figure it out” while it was happening? Ehm like a bunch of different snapshots strung together in a movie.
Also to be honest after the whole lore dump on the world , it feels like they could have done so much more with it and just chose really… bland stuff. I believe my original takeaway was: I wish they would have just done a series with it. Which, sadly tend to have poor track records but idk.
I feel like it would have catered so much more to the characters and sort of political situations and really built up the world in a way that a movie can’t or just doesn’t have the airtime for. I also feel like with how they shot scenes that had SO much subtle backstory/lore you’d only know from being very familiar with it, something like a series would have really immersed the viewer IN the culture and world, not just kind of witnessing it for 2 1/2 hours of ???.
That’s odd because I barely had second hand knowledge of the story, and it made perfect sense to me. Which part in particular did you find confusing before you looked it up yourself?
Going to be completely honest, a lot of it. It probably wasn’t a good fit for me overall but it was just generally hard to sit through or pay attention to because a) didn’t make sense b) was boring/felt pointless/meaningless (in context).
Which idk, for example, I love David Lynch and adore his style; a lot of it can be pretty abstract/artsy. I can sit through that because it is engaging (to me). I get artsy stuff, it doesn’t have to be like p l o t driven constantly. Like the only things coming to mind rn is when they get to the spice planet or whatever and they have the convo with the idk gardener, and the whole time I was just like “why is this in here? why do I care about this interaction? I know I’m never going to see him again.” The whole thing with spiderman’s girlfriend was also just? boring? and very scripted? Like I get being prophesized or whatever sure, but it was just very “ah good we’ve met! anyways”. And it was supposedly super important finding her and ?
Also the whole thing with the trial was also like almost there, like it was soooo close to being really polished. The scene is probably one of the better ones imo, but they just didn’t sell why it was important enough? It’s really hard to explain.
All of the stuff though made sense aaafter seeing the YT video and it made the movies approach make more sense. I just needed something to bridge the gap.
It took itself too seriously and the acting felt very meh, the plot was very meh, and while I overall appreciated the cinematography, it was not enough to sell the rest of the movie.