"On October 18 and everyday, we’ll show the world what democracy looks like," said one union leader. "No thrones! No clowns with crowns! No kings, just working people united in power to defend our democracy."
Essentially (but sadly) this is a useless charade. Using one of your days off work to march and shout slogans is not hitting (or hurting) anyone who is propping up this fascist regime. Do this sort of thing during the week. Shut cities down. Make people in the C-level suites notice an actual change to their bottom line or this is all nothing but theater preaching to the converted.
We’re working our way up to it. What you’re talking about is a general strike and it takes a lot of organizing. Sign a strike card! http://www.generalstrikeus.com/
Problems can be identified by anyone. Immediately dismissing any sort of reasonable constructive criticism will destroy the movement from the inside out.
But please, continue shutting people down, you seem to know that’s best.
Doing it on a weekday means it can be more disruptive to the status quo, but that also means more divisive. Doing it on the weekend means it’s easier for more people to participate and it can come across as more of a statement of unity.
I don’t think one is strictly better than the other. I do think this one will have an impact.
Doing it on a weekend helps build steam and commitment. Protests like this normalize dissent, gather resistance together, and provide an onramp to resistance. Going out and breaking a few windows day 1 is what an agent provocateur would say to do, it just gets the committed arrested and turns moderates against them
I find more people on lemmy of the “stop saying thing you never said” type these days. Its like they want to catch you out on a thing they think is being said, almost as if they are pushing a narrative…
Showing up exactly where they expect you to and getting shot with pepperballs isnt making things better. As far as I can tell these protests are just outrage relief.
Getting shot with pepperballs for peacefully assembling in public tends to radicalize people, their friends, and their family. Pissed off people tend to be far more motivated in putting in the work to make things better. Experiencing or seeing police brutality first hand is a fantastic motivator when it comes time to boycott, strike, recall elected officials, etc.
You’d probably know that if you learned the history of any social revolution in the USA … but they really gloss over those movements in schools for some reason.
For something so pointless Mike Johnson and the usual stooges seem to be spending a lot of time talking about the upcoming protests using inflammatory rhetoric. One would think they might not bother if what you say were true.
Yeah, I don’t think the Americans who opposes what’s happening understand that they’re beyond the point where they can lawfully protest their way out of it. So long as stock market lines keep going up , the administration can just ignore these protests. Hell the media is complicit and won’t report how vast these protests are anyways.
If you want to put your conspiracy hat on, this is controlled opposition in that it acts as a pressure release valve for their opposition to exert themselves and feel like they’ve done something, without doing anything of real consequence.
Are there protests a necessary part of resistance? Perhaps. It keeps many people engaged than would otherwise be. But they are not even close to being sufficient. Remember , were like 8 months into this.
Yeah dude the only one who thinks this is pointless is JD himself. Go shout your heart out tomorrow. I look forward to the fall of the evil empire by tomorrow afternoon.
Get your head out of your ass. PR stunts and “protests” where you get your ass beat by cops isn’t going to save our country. Especially when you show up exactly where they expect you to.
nova_ad_vitum is spot on about it being a pressure relief valve.
The info I have read says, historically, nothing will come of these protests until 3.5% of the people take part and even then doing it for one day, on a weekend, is much less effective than days or even a weeks long shutdown
This comes from a bullshit study done by an idealist without looking at material conditions and cherrypicking examples. There have been mass protests bigger than that leading to nothing all over Europe in the past 15 years.
Protest, by all means, but more importantly organize. Join an active and radical union, join a communist or anarchist organization and do activism through that, do mutual aid, support worker struggles, do civil disobedience and organize against evictions in your area… There’s so much you can do, and a Democrat-organized protest is just the tiniest step.
Essentially (but sadly) this is a useless charade. Using one of your days off work to march and shout slogans is not hitting (or hurting) anyone who is propping up this fascist regime. Do this sort of thing during the week. Shut cities down. Make people in the C-level suites notice an actual change to their bottom line or this is all nothing but theater preaching to the converted.
If you/we can’t even bother to attend a protest on a day off for a few hours, how the hell are we going to do it during the week, to shut cities down?
God, so much for the “land of the brave and home of the free”. What a bunch of pissant cowards.
It’s easy to yell coward when it’s not your own life precariously dependent on maintaining a job you can get fired from without reason.
There’s an interesting kind of poster that I’ve only seen here on Lemmy, the “why bother, it’s not going to work” poster.
Why vote? It doesn’t matter.
Why write or call your rep, they’re in the pocket of blah blah anyway?
Why put a bumper sticker in your car? Performative BS, maaaan.
Etm etm…
How do you feel when you see Trump stickers everywhere?
How do you feel when you’re in a neighborhood with pride flags everywhere? Is that different and better?
What about when you see Wellstone! sticker in deep red Midwest? A little hope that there are other people who haven’t given up?
Show up! Speak out! Be visible! Live into the small moments of joy where resistance lives!
It really does feel like there’s an uptick in doomer/not enough posts on the fediverse lately.
What does that mean? Is it a typo meant to say Etc etc…?
“Etm” is used the same way as “etc.” It stands for “et merde” instead of “et cetera” which would mean “and shit” instead of “and others.”
Maybe read it more as “and more other shit like this” when you see it at the end of a list of a bunch of shit.
oh, thanks! I may start using that.
I didn’t say “don’t bother” I said “Do it better and more effectively.”
We’re working our way up to it. What you’re talking about is a general strike and it takes a lot of organizing. Sign a strike card! http://www.generalstrikeus.com/
It has to start somehow, somewhere. So stop complaining and do it better, or get out of the way!
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Not a complaint, an observation but you do you
Keep it to yourself. You’re not helping shit with your post.
Problems can be identified by anyone. Immediately dismissing any sort of reasonable constructive criticism will destroy the movement from the inside out.
But please, continue shutting people down, you seem to know that’s best.
Doing it on a weekday means it can be more disruptive to the status quo, but that also means more divisive. Doing it on the weekend means it’s easier for more people to participate and it can come across as more of a statement of unity.
I don’t think one is strictly better than the other. I do think this one will have an impact.
Doing it on a weekend helps build steam and commitment. Protests like this normalize dissent, gather resistance together, and provide an onramp to resistance. Going out and breaking a few windows day 1 is what an agent provocateur would say to do, it just gets the committed arrested and turns moderates against them
Lead by example
I find more people on lemmy of the “stop saying thing you never said” type these days. Its like they want to catch you out on a thing they think is being said, almost as if they are pushing a narrative…
Showing up exactly where they expect you to and getting shot with pepperballs isnt making things better. As far as I can tell these protests are just outrage relief.
Getting shot with pepperballs for peacefully assembling in public tends to radicalize people, their friends, and their family. Pissed off people tend to be far more motivated in putting in the work to make things better. Experiencing or seeing police brutality first hand is a fantastic motivator when it comes time to boycott, strike, recall elected officials, etc.
You’d probably know that if you learned the history of any social revolution in the USA … but they really gloss over those movements in schools for some reason.
Hey little bro, mom says you gotta do a 250 word essay on the civil rights movement.
For something so pointless Mike Johnson and the usual stooges seem to be spending a lot of time talking about the upcoming protests using inflammatory rhetoric. One would think they might not bother if what you say were true.
It bothers him deeply
Yeah, I don’t think the Americans who opposes what’s happening understand that they’re beyond the point where they can lawfully protest their way out of it. So long as stock market lines keep going up , the administration can just ignore these protests. Hell the media is complicit and won’t report how vast these protests are anyways.
If you want to put your conspiracy hat on, this is controlled opposition in that it acts as a pressure release valve for their opposition to exert themselves and feel like they’ve done something, without doing anything of real consequence.
Are there protests a necessary part of resistance? Perhaps. It keeps many people engaged than would otherwise be. But they are not even close to being sufficient. Remember , were like 8 months into this.
Is that you JD?
Yeah dude the only one who thinks this is pointless is JD himself. Go shout your heart out tomorrow. I look forward to the fall of the evil empire by tomorrow afternoon.
Get your head out of your ass. PR stunts and “protests” where you get your ass beat by cops isn’t going to save our country. Especially when you show up exactly where they expect you to.
nova_ad_vitum is spot on about it being a pressure relief valve.
The info I have read says, historically, nothing will come of these protests until 3.5% of the people take part and even then doing it for one day, on a weekend, is much less effective than days or even a weeks long shutdown
This comes from a bullshit study done by an idealist without looking at material conditions and cherrypicking examples. There have been mass protests bigger than that leading to nothing all over Europe in the past 15 years.
Protest, by all means, but more importantly organize. Join an active and radical union, join a communist or anarchist organization and do activism through that, do mutual aid, support worker struggles, do civil disobedience and organize against evictions in your area… There’s so much you can do, and a Democrat-organized protest is just the tiniest step.