Nazis: We already did some violence, it was awesome. We’re going to hint at doing more every way we can think of, but stop short of explicitly and unconditionally promising to
Liberals: Well they already did it, so let’s put it behind us.
Look at how neo-Nazis abuse liberalist values to demand a protected platform. “Tolerance”, “free speech”, “anti-violence”, you know they don’t believe in these but they’ll always demand it from you.
I’m referring to a sentiment I see all over lemmy quite often. I don’t think you get to dismiss all those cases are politely pointing it out. Plenty of other users here notice it too, and point out how counter productive it is. I mean even just the term “liberal” is seen as a proxy for evil here. My guess is that plenty of “liberal” people don’t even conform to the views they are presumed to hold, and plenty of “liberals” are very much on board with most of the same leftist ideas as the ones claiming ideological purity over the liberals. The biggest difference is that some of the purists may know more history than some of the people they hate and claim are the problem.
Liberals are not center-left, and the reason why that’s important to recognize is because in the struggle between socialism and capitalism, liberals by definition side with capitalism. Historically, liberals have sided with fascists over leftists, because leftists affirm systemic change.
The left: Maybe we have to do violence?
Liberals: How dare you!
Nazis: We already did some violence, it was awesome. We’re going to hint at doing more every way we can think of, but stop short of explicitly and unconditionally promising to
Liberals: Well they already did it, so let’s put it behind us.
“Look forward, not backward”
Are you insinuating it’s not the right wing influence on reddit causing this, but rather the “wrong” kind of left wing …? Lemmy is weird.
Both can exist simultaneously and share blame.
Yeah, I suppose. It’s just vastly more an issue with the right.
Cause isn’t so simple. One enables the other.
Look at how neo-Nazis abuse liberalist values to demand a protected platform. “Tolerance”, “free speech”, “anti-violence”, you know they don’t believe in these but they’ll always demand it from you.
I think he’s insinuating that libs enable fascism
There is a trend on this platform for people to be just as mad at center-left people as the fuckin actual Nazis. And it’s counterproductive as fuck
Nazis aren’t going to change, they have to be defeated. You defeat them by changing the liberals.
Fine – spraying hatred on the “liberals” won’t do that though.
Pointing out a double standard is not hatred
I’m referring to a sentiment I see all over lemmy quite often. I don’t think you get to dismiss all those cases are politely pointing it out. Plenty of other users here notice it too, and point out how counter productive it is. I mean even just the term “liberal” is seen as a proxy for evil here. My guess is that plenty of “liberal” people don’t even conform to the views they are presumed to hold, and plenty of “liberals” are very much on board with most of the same leftist ideas as the ones claiming ideological purity over the liberals. The biggest difference is that some of the purists may know more history than some of the people they hate and claim are the problem.
Liberals are not center-left, and the reason why that’s important to recognize is because in the struggle between socialism and capitalism, liberals by definition side with capitalism. Historically, liberals have sided with fascists over leftists, because leftists affirm systemic change.