• frog_brawler
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    9 hours ago

    Unpopular opinion: I say give her a chance. I’ve been watching a lot of conservative YouTube stuff ever since the Charlie Kirk bullshit. There’s a pretty substantial portion of former MAGA that actually have relatively leftl-leaning views, that haven’t figured out their views are pretty far left. A lot of those folks are kinda dumb, but if they start voting like me, I will not complain. Don’t shit on their potential awakening. I’d really like to see some reverse Fettermans.

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      9 hours ago

      I say give her a chance.

      You have no idea how many times I saw people saying this about Trump’s first term before he started.

      She has no values, she is a rat sensing the ship sinking before anyone else. They all know when Trump dies there will be zero leadership in the GOP and people are going to swing hard left to avoid the pedo circus.

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        Seriously this, what has she ever done to earn giving her a chance? The only reason she’s speaking out is because she’s now immediately affected, but couldn’t give a shit before when others were in the same position as she is now.

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        You have no idea how many times I saw people saying this about Trump’s first term before he started.

        Believe it or not, I wasn’t born in the past 9 years. I heard it too.

        She has no values, she is a rat sensing the ship sinking before anyone else. They all know when Trump dies there will be zero leadership in the GOP and people are going to swing hard left to avoid the pedo circus.

        uh huh… that changes absolutely nothing about my comment.

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          Okay what exactly do you propose we “give her a chance” about? Retaining power? Seeking MORE power?

          Do you genuinely believe with all that’s at stake, we should allow a snake who was openly a snake from the start and been one of the major liars and deceitful MAGA celebrities since the first Trump term, actually keep all she has taken?

          Or by “give her a chance” are you saying: “We should not attack her or call her a liar so that we encourage more people to shift over, even performatively”?

          Because fuck that from the top all the way to the bottom as well. Allowing masked-conservatives and GOP-aligned sellouts to be our representatives is how we ended up with a completely useless democratic party, we don’t WANT them to switch over, we want them to have NO HOME, we need to make actual political and social consequence for aligning with fascists and radicals and domestic terrorists.

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            Okay what exactly do you propose we “give her a chance” about? Retaining power? Seeking MORE power?

            She’s historically been pretty terrible. I don’t fault you for thinking that of her. I think it too… however, there’s like a 1% chance she might be genuine. I won’t write her off completely yet. I still don’t like her platform, but I’d prefer someone on the right that actually wants to come up with a plan for healthcare if they’re going to oppose Obamacare. If she says she’s going to tone down her bullshit, I say give her a chance to prove it. It doesn’t mean you have to forget where she came from.

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      9 hours ago

      Unfetteredmans.

      We can hope, certainly. There are a lot of entities looking to capture them, though, and the wages of sin are actually pretty good, counted solely in gold. They buy a lot of advertising.

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      Look… I’d love for this to be genuine and real, but the chances of that being true are SLIM TO NONE. She’s been doing this for a decade, and barring any proof she just started taking meds for a newly diagnosed mental condition, I can’t believe any of this is real.

      She’s pulling a scam. I don’t know who the target is yet, but this is not genuine.

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        I don’t disagree, but some of the shit she’s saying is better than her peers. Scam or not… its something.

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      The only way to give her a chance is if she commits, right now, to vote to impeach Trump. If she does this, then I’ll say she’s serious.

      I say this as a once very strong and vocal conservative who has now turned full 180-almost anarchist progressive.

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      I’d really like to see some reverse Fettermans.

      Also, this isn’t sports. As much as they want you to think it is.

      We don’t want turncoats. Even if they mean it, there’s no guarantee they will also “mean it” when they switch again. They will learn to use the party switch as a safety net to get buyouts and accept donations from whoever and whatever and stand up for any atrocity, then when consequences approach “OH NOES I WAS TRICKED”

      I don’t accept this framing. Would you let Fetterman back in if he swore up and down on a stack of sweatshorts that he was now “so sorry” that he represented genocide and voted against every progressive measure and became a darling for the right? The whole idea here is that one direction is evil. It is very bad. Not saying dems are even much better, but there are positions that you don’t come “back” from, unless it’s the openly evil party, they will take anyone to further their goals. Those people don’t represent me, and people who can’t figure it from the start also don’t represent me. Fuck them, they had every chance.

      But then, I guess people take cheaters back every day too.