The mixed zones (at least in Rotterdam) are anything but great, at least for the pedestrians. If you look up “reckless” in the dictionary, you’ll probably find bikers with thermo boxes. Woe to you if you don’t jump aside when they come flying.
Yeah not on the same level… not diminishing the importance of biking in the context of transportation but if you ever went to the Netherlands and Switzerland you honestly cannot say they are on the same level…
you honestly cannot say they are on the same level…
no, i really didn’t mean same level. Just want to point out that the nice bike traffic we see is not the result of a flat country, but of good infrastructure.
Sure, flat helps. But so do summer, ebikes etc.
Because it’s a flat country every single person has been using bikes for as long as I remember every fucking where from cities to bumfuck nowhere.
It’s important to acknowledge that, they had a huge advantage and thus it’s not comparable with other places that might, very locally and recently, have vaguely similar abundance of bikes in the middle of giant mountains.
And, because of this history, they have indeed a wonderfully adapted infrastructure in which I don’t fear for my life every time I bike there.
That’s on top. I know the Netherlands city traffic mostly from Rotterdam, and there bikers are actually a pest. They consider signs, traffic lights, and the laws as pure decoration, to be ignored at will. The only other traffic member they actually seem to respect is the tram. Woe to any pedestrian in a pedestrian zone not jumping aside!
… in a bike only zone.
Exactly. And the mixed zones are great too.
The mixed zones (at least in Rotterdam) are anything but great, at least for the pedestrians. If you look up “reckless” in the dictionary, you’ll probably find bikers with thermo boxes. Woe to you if you don’t jump aside when they come flying.
And in a completely flat country…
Bern in Switzerland also has many cyclist, but with hills. With good infrastructure, you get these results regardlesss.
Yeah not on the same level… not diminishing the importance of biking in the context of transportation but if you ever went to the Netherlands and Switzerland you honestly cannot say they are on the same level…
no, i really didn’t mean same level. Just want to point out that the nice bike traffic we see is not the result of a flat country, but of good infrastructure. Sure, flat helps. But so do summer, ebikes etc.
Because it’s a flat country every single person has been using bikes for as long as I remember every fucking where from cities to bumfuck nowhere. It’s important to acknowledge that, they had a huge advantage and thus it’s not comparable with other places that might, very locally and recently, have vaguely similar abundance of bikes in the middle of giant mountains. And, because of this history, they have indeed a wonderfully adapted infrastructure in which I don’t fear for my life every time I bike there.
That’s on top. I know the Netherlands city traffic mostly from Rotterdam, and there bikers are actually a pest. They consider signs, traffic lights, and the laws as pure decoration, to be ignored at will. The only other traffic member they actually seem to respect is the tram. Woe to any pedestrian in a pedestrian zone not jumping aside!
Its funny that Rotterdam is considered to have the worst cycling infrastructure in the Netherlands. Wonder if that is the reason for what you mean.
Even in a city with a good infrastructure, reckless ebikers with thermo boxes on the back do not belong in pedestrian zones.