The judge in former U.S. President Donald Trump’s upcoming trial over his handling of classified documents made two key errors in a June trial, one of which violated a fundamental constitutional right of the defendant and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript.

  • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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    41 year ago

    we should let her earn it rather than intentionally painting her into a corner where she feels uniquely justified in subverting democracy in retaliation against the monolithic corporate oligopoly that is mainstream media

    Are you suggesting that a judge might get mad that the media is pointing out that she made mistakes on an earlier trial so she’ll feel its okay to ‘subvert democracy in retaliation’?

    • @Riccosuave
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      -21 year ago

      Are you suggesting that a judge might get mad that the media is pointing out that she made mistakes on an earlier trial so she’ll feel its okay to ‘subvert democracy in retaliation’?

      I am pointing out that humans are fallible, susceptible to negative feedback loops, and that it is in the best interest of our species to accept that as the inherent reality regardless of someone’s title or position. I am not justifying the behavior, but I firmly believe that the more you push that kind of narrative the more likely it is that it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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        41 year ago

        So if someone makes a mistake you should ignore it and the media shouldn’t report it, in fear of what they might do next?

        • @Riccosuave
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          01 year ago

          No, that is not what I am saying at all. The importance her decisions have in this case as well as to the public interest are self-evident, and therefore should be reported. What I am suggesting is that there is very dangerous subtext surrounding framing her as an incompetent hack if it pre-emptively undermines the validity of her rulings both for or against the defendant. Both sides are looking to throw her under the bus at a moments notice no matter what she does, and threading that needle would be a challenge for someone with ten times her experience or tenure. The narrative foreshadowing has been quite clear in this regard, and I think we all ignore that to our own peril regardless of what side of the issue you fall on.

          Let me put it to you this way: she already knows that when she rules against Trump she will be met with very real threats of violence, conversely Trump’s opposition will attempt to paint her as a traitor or patsy when she rules in his favor. It is a lose/lose proposition being reinforced by a zero sum game.

          Again, this is a human being, and human beings are fallible. While it is easy or convenient to suggest that every single person who accepts a legal appointment should act as the perfect visage for the judicial system by being totally dispassionate, acting with complete impunity in upholding the letter of the law, and separating themselves from their humanity in the process that just isn’t realistic. Therefore, a better framework would be to attempt to influence or taint the outcome of this proceeding as little as possible while allowing the legal system to function without also combating the court of public opinion. This is also not realistic, I grant you that, but adding fuel to the fire doesn’t help.

          Instead, I believe the ethically justifiable position is not to feed into the media sophistry, and instead to engage with the decisions in this case solely based on their merits. This is admittedly difficult to accomplish considering most of us are not legal scholars, but it should be the goal. In doing so we can continue to bring awareness to the fact that in the real world, even in the legal arena, there are rarely issues that can be perfectly distilled down into the kind of binary black & white positions that are attractive to our evolutionary programming.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            31 year ago

            Did you read the article?

            These were very basic mistakes that she made and despite your essay the article just pointed them out.

            Like the media should. It’s not like they drew devil horns on her picture or are saying she’s an activist judge or anything.

            • @Riccosuave
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              -21 year ago

              Yes, I did read the article. I am speaking more generally regarding the circulating media narratives I have seen regarding her being an activist judge. That may well be the case, and I am willing to accept that if and when the evidence warrants it. I also wrote my initial “essay” as you put it in support of the OP who I believe was engaging in good faith, and therefore wished to support. After that I admit to being verbose in my responses to you, and I understand if that is not your preferred method of discourse.

              • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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                31 year ago

                Wait, so you’re just generally criticizing the media?

                This isn’t to do with this article?

                I subscribe to a clear and concise form of communication.

                ‘I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.’

                • @Riccosuave
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                  01 year ago

                  Again, my initiation into this discussion was originally directed towards supporting the OP of this comment thread.

                  I’m going to leave it here. Thanks for being reasonable, and not antagonistic. I appreciated the discussion. Hope to see you around ✌️