The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

  • @Feathercrown
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    11 year ago

    Both parties are capable of the same things by definition, but there’s no universal law that keeps them both the same amount of good or bad. If one party continues to push policies that are bad (for whatever criteria of “bad” you’re using), it stacks up and affects their overall average position on things. This process is reversible but it won’t stop itself by default.

    • MasterOBee Master/King
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      Both parties are capable of the same things by definition

      Exactly. I’m, in general, against blanket statements saying that one group of people is inherently worth less, is more stupid or malleable that another group of people. Germany fell into fascism, does that mean the German people are inherently worse people and that’s why they followed the evil leader they did? No. The fact that England fought against these fascists, does that mean England is inherently better, good and would never follow an evil leader? No, they committed absurd atrocities throughout their imperialist rule.

      If one party continues to push policies that are bad (for whatever criteria of “bad” you’re using), it stacks up

      Unfortunately, what’s been considered ‘bad’ is simply things we disagree with. I disagree with most liberal policies, it doesn’t make the other side ‘bad’

      • @Feathercrown
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        idk though like… voter disenfranchisement, election denial, pretty much everything Trump’s done… opposing education, financial irresponsibility, disregard for the environment… some of these are debatable but do you actually like these things? It’s only be worth it if you think their social policies regarding LGBT/race/gender/etc. outweigh all of that. I obviously disagree with that, and I think putting those opinioms above the health of the nation even if you do agree with them is irresponsible and dengerous. Don’t take my word for it though-- don’t listen to what people say, look at what they do. Just go find the most recent legislation passed or behavior observed for both parties and tell me they’re the same. I wish they were, it’s not healthy to only have one party choice because you feel like the other one is insane, but somehow that’s where we are right now.

        • MasterOBee Master/King
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          We’ve prevented criminals from voting for hundreds of years, how is that conservatives fault?

          election denial

          For the 4 years the left denied Trump won the election, then in 2020 when biden won, they claim that it was rock solid and there couldn’t possibly be fraud?

          pretty much everything Trump’s done

          Trump was the first president in some 30+ years not to start a foreign military conflict. Are you pro-foreign military conflicts?

          opposing education

          Where did he oppose education?

          financial irresponsibility

          Our country is $30T in debt. Trump spent a lot, but if you want trash every president that has spent a lot, you have a long list.

          disregard for the environment

          What are you refering to?

          some of these are debatable but do you actually like these things?

          As you can see, just stating something doesn’t make it true. Once again, Trump, just like every president, did some good things, and did some bad. Just like Obama, Just like Bush, just like Biden. You continuing to act like it’s binary between being good and bad, and that republicans are all bad and democrats are all good is absurd.

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            I typed up a whole reaponse to this but Lemmy was down so it ate it. I’ll summarize by saying: voter deregistration and closing voting centers, the left only mentioned the popular vote being lost which is not an accusation of election denial, obviously I don’t like foreign conflict don’t strawman me, he hired Betsy DeVos, yes we should do that, leaving the Paris Climate Accords and loosening railroad regulations which may have contributed to the train crashes recently (including the Ohio disaster).

            I have stated multiple times that I don’t think all dems are good or all repubs are bad, don’t misrepresent me please. I evaluate all political actions based on my own independent criteria including self-consistency, likely consequences, benefits to Americans and the people that I care about, and overall effects on economics, education, culture, the world, freedom of options, etc. Republicans have consistently failed these criteria.

            My tipping point was Covid. It would have been acceptable to say that the lockdowns weren’t worth it. It was not acceptable to deny the reality of Covid’s existence and the lives it ruined or ended. I can respect people who disagree with me. I cannot respect people who are elected to help us but have no desire to do that and in fact actively make our lives worse for their own personal benefit.