Then he’s a moron, and I’m gonna ask my buddy who was in the 82nd Airborne if he happens to know this fool. My dude was actually at my house yesterday and I showed him a new gun, I picked it up, unload and show clear, pass it to him, he shows it’s clear as well, and now it is safe, that is paramount any time you touch a real gun, I don’t care what your fucking job title is, I don’t care what your experience level is, if you can’t do that you DO NOT get to touch real guns, use airsoft until you can learn a modicum of responsibility. It isn’t even that hard to do, it is literally “Press button, see bullets? No? Good. Yes? Bad.” It is absolutely basic shit that a fucking 10yo could do (not that they maybe should lol, but they are physically and likely mentally capable of checking for rounds).
And accidents can happen at any level, this “squat leader’s” cavalier attitude towards gun safety is actually pretty fucking dangerous, and I hope he’s not some kind of instructor these days. He’s liable to have an accident himself with this attitude (“Oh I was a squad leader I know what I’m doing.” BANG,friend at the bbq has a new hole “Whoops sorry Jerry.”) Hell, I know a dude who served as a grunt who recently got fired for having an ND at work (thank god nobody got hurt by that “experienced soldier” but all of us who never served and got on him for safety practices ended up being able to finally say I fuckin’ toad-a-so.)
Tl;dr I don’t fucking care what either of their job titles are, IF YOU TOUCH A REAL GUN, LEARN GUN SAFETY FIRST End of story, that is it, no other details matter, not your job, age, experience level, nothing.
You’re coming across as argumentative and needlessly aggressive. That kind of behaviour is not welcome in this community. Please take more care to follow the rules if you’d like to continue participating in this community. Thank you.
Just a word of advice, any time you’re talking about gun safety, gun violence, or potential death especially by firearm, it’s going to come off as aggressive. Firearms are aggressive.
As for argumentative, why is that against the rules? You aren’t allowed to disagree? What if someone is saying something totally wrong that will cause harm? What if someone says that sucking on the barrel of a gun is a good way to relieve a toothache? Is no one allowed to argue against that?
Thank you for your input. As stated in the sidebar, discussion is welcome but arguments are not. I consider arguments to contain a measure of aggression or unpleasantness, unlike discussion and debate which remain civil. You are allowed to disagree and correct misinformation.
I took exception with OPs comment because they weren’t replying to anyone or engaging in a discussion or debate, they came straight out of the gate being extremely aggressive and unpleasant. However, I am aware that gun safety can be an emotive issue for some so I was lenient - I didn’t remove OPs comment or give them an official warning, I just reminded them to follow the rules. In OPs reply to me they were still passionate and seemed to disagree with me, but they weren’t aggressive about it and that is completely acceptable.
Lemmy.org’s citizen code of conduct is pretty clear on what behaviour is and isn’t expected. Here’s a few relevant snippets:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
Please keep unstructured critique to a minimum.
We will exclude you from interaction if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behavior.
Lemmy.world’s code of conduct expands on these rules a little:
[the code of conduct] is intended to ensure that our platform is as welcoming and inclusive as possible, to create a supportive environment, where people freely share their passions and are excited and positive about each other’s successes.
Do not engage in name calling, ad hominem attacks, sealioning or any other uncivil behaviour. Remember to criticise ideas, and not people.
Bullies, trolls, and disruptors are not welcome in Lemmy.World. We will moderate accordingly.
We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all
This is a voluntary community. You chose to be here. When you choose to join, you have implied that you agree with this Code of Conduct and will follow it.
They are not my rules, they are the rules everyone agrees to follow by participating here. I’m expected to implement the rules, primarily by responding to mod reports.
Finally, it’s not my role to tell people what they can or can’t discuss as long as it doesn’t break any rules:
The moderators are not morality or thought police. They are guided by this Code of Conduct. Post what you want, as long as your post follows the rules, principles, and goals outlined on this page.
I think people underestimate how “strict” the rules are on lemmy, and as a lone moderator it is really difficult to decide when to step in. I can only try my best and promise to be as transparent as possible when I delete, warn or ban a subscriber. To help with this I have made a stickied post requesting additional moderators and welcoming feedback and suggestions. I’ve had no takers. I will update the sidebar with links to the code of conducts I cited because they’re not particularly easy to find. Hopefully our entire community can work together to make this a pleasant place to be.
I take gun safety seriously, and yes, I will argue people who say gun safety is not necessary because “he is an actor.” People die from negligent disgarges every day, this is a serious issue. Thank you.
The number of military people who don’t understand firearm safety is amazing. I’ve got a buddy in the navy and one time we were hanging out and drinking. He wanted to show off his gun and everyone around just told him to stop, put his gun somewhere else safe and that he could have it back when he was sober. Why he needed a bunch of civilians to tell him that I don’t know.
Complacency kills, accidents can and do happen at any experience level. In fact I’d argue they may happen more with those who have grown too comfortable with firearms, usually the newbies are appropriatly cautious. I’d be real interested to see some data on that but idt anyone is compiling it.
If I had my guess as to “why,” your buddy sounds like he falls into this trap (at least when drunk, which tends to exacerbate feelings of “Ah shut up I know what I’m doing.” Lol) Hopefully he’s better about it these days!
Then he’s a moron, and I’m gonna ask my buddy who was in the 82nd Airborne if he happens to know this fool. My dude was actually at my house yesterday and I showed him a new gun, I picked it up, unload and show clear, pass it to him, he shows it’s clear as well, and now it is safe, that is paramount any time you touch a real gun, I don’t care what your fucking job title is, I don’t care what your experience level is, if you can’t do that you DO NOT get to touch real guns, use airsoft until you can learn a modicum of responsibility. It isn’t even that hard to do, it is literally “Press button, see bullets? No? Good. Yes? Bad.” It is absolutely basic shit that a fucking 10yo could do (not that they maybe should lol, but they are physically and likely mentally capable of checking for rounds).
And accidents can happen at any level, this “squat leader’s” cavalier attitude towards gun safety is actually pretty fucking dangerous, and I hope he’s not some kind of instructor these days. He’s liable to have an accident himself with this attitude (“Oh I was a squad leader I know what I’m doing.” BANG, friend at the bbq has a new hole “Whoops sorry Jerry.”) Hell, I know a dude who served as a grunt who recently got fired for having an ND at work (thank god nobody got hurt by that “experienced soldier” but all of us who never served and got on him for safety practices ended up being able to finally say I fuckin’ toad-a-so.)
Tl;dr I don’t fucking care what either of their job titles are, IF YOU TOUCH A REAL GUN, LEARN GUN SAFETY FIRST End of story, that is it, no other details matter, not your job, age, experience level, nothing.
You’re coming across as argumentative and needlessly aggressive. That kind of behaviour is not welcome in this community. Please take more care to follow the rules if you’d like to continue participating in this community. Thank you.
Just a word of advice, any time you’re talking about gun safety, gun violence, or potential death especially by firearm, it’s going to come off as aggressive. Firearms are aggressive.
As for argumentative, why is that against the rules? You aren’t allowed to disagree? What if someone is saying something totally wrong that will cause harm? What if someone says that sucking on the barrel of a gun is a good way to relieve a toothache? Is no one allowed to argue against that?
Thank you for your input. As stated in the sidebar, discussion is welcome but arguments are not. I consider arguments to contain a measure of aggression or unpleasantness, unlike discussion and debate which remain civil. You are allowed to disagree and correct misinformation.
I took exception with OPs comment because they weren’t replying to anyone or engaging in a discussion or debate, they came straight out of the gate being extremely aggressive and unpleasant. However, I am aware that gun safety can be an emotive issue for some so I was lenient - I didn’t remove OPs comment or give them an official warning, I just reminded them to follow the rules. In OPs reply to me they were still passionate and seemed to disagree with me, but they weren’t aggressive about it and that is completely acceptable.
Lemmy.org’s citizen code of conduct is pretty clear on what behaviour is and isn’t expected. Here’s a few relevant snippets:
Lemmy.world’s code of conduct expands on these rules a little:
They are not my rules, they are the rules everyone agrees to follow by participating here. I’m expected to implement the rules, primarily by responding to mod reports.
Finally, it’s not my role to tell people what they can or can’t discuss as long as it doesn’t break any rules:
I think people underestimate how “strict” the rules are on lemmy, and as a lone moderator it is really difficult to decide when to step in. I can only try my best and promise to be as transparent as possible when I delete, warn or ban a subscriber. To help with this I have made a stickied post requesting additional moderators and welcoming feedback and suggestions. I’ve had no takers. I will update the sidebar with links to the code of conducts I cited because they’re not particularly easy to find. Hopefully our entire community can work together to make this a pleasant place to be.
I take gun safety seriously, and yes, I will argue people who say gun safety is not necessary because “he is an actor.” People die from negligent disgarges every day, this is a serious issue. Thank you.
The number of military people who don’t understand firearm safety is amazing. I’ve got a buddy in the navy and one time we were hanging out and drinking. He wanted to show off his gun and everyone around just told him to stop, put his gun somewhere else safe and that he could have it back when he was sober. Why he needed a bunch of civilians to tell him that I don’t know.
Complacency kills, accidents can and do happen at any experience level. In fact I’d argue they may happen more with those who have grown too comfortable with firearms, usually the newbies are appropriatly cautious. I’d be real interested to see some data on that but idt anyone is compiling it.
If I had my guess as to “why,” your buddy sounds like he falls into this trap (at least when drunk, which tends to exacerbate feelings of “Ah shut up I know what I’m doing.” Lol) Hopefully he’s better about it these days!