• AnchoriteMagusBanned from community
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    OHHHH, so now your Nazis aren’t as bad as their Nazis?

    You need a hand hauling those goalposts around?

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      You are pretending so desperately not to understand what you’re being told. Yes, nazis running an entire government are measurably worse for the world than nazis serving as cannon fodder. Ask 13,000 dead eastern Ukranians.

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      your Nazis aren’t as bad as their Nazis

      Imagine a continuum of nazis with ‘dead’ (good) on one side and ‘in total control of a country’ (bad) on the other

      Ukrainian nazis are among the worst today

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      The point has been that Kiev is run by Banderites that empower Nazis at the state level, and that they have been ethnically cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk. Nobody is saying that one nazi is better than another nazi, I think all nazis should be shot, but that the nazis actually hold the levers of power in Kiev and not in Russia.

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        And, coming back all the way around to my original point, how does this justify the mountain of Russian war crimes?

        Did the people of Bucha deserve to die?

        Did the apartment buildings, hospitals, restaurants, and schools bombed indiscriminately by Shaheds deserve it?

        There is no evidence you can offer that excuses or justifies Russia’s actions. None. Ever.

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          I’m not justifying war crimes committed by Russia, nor am I justifying the mountain of war crimes committed by Kiev over the last decade. Letting the Banderites walk into Donetsk and Luhansk and slaughter people would have been bad, plain and simple.

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            Shockingly, you and I agree on something.

            Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine.

            Was that so hard?

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              No? Never denied that Russia has committed war crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Seems to be hard for you to admit that Nazis are running Ukraine and have been committing war crimes for a decade, though, and that this is worse than what Russia is doing, which is why the Donbass region supports Russia, with Donetsk and Luhansk voting to join the Russian Federation.

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                On 7 October 2014 in Zuhres, 53-year-old Ukrainian Ihor Kozhoma, who was trying to take his wife out of the occupied territory, was tied to a column and tortured for several hours by Russians and local separatists.

                Did he deserve to be tortured and killed?

                Donetsk civilian resident Iryna Dovhan was publicly tortured for her pro-Ukrainian position in August 2014.

                Did she deserve to be tortured?

                A member of Human Rights Watch witnessed the exhumation of a mass grave in Sloviansk that was uncovered after insurgents retreated from the city.

                Did those people deserve to be murdered and flung in a ditch?

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                  yeah it’s horrible that two innocent people on your side got killed in the context of a violent coup that overthrew democracy for your side’s benefit and the ethnic cleansing of 13 thousand people

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                    16 hours ago

                    Second link only discusses total ceasefire violations, and doesn’t mention A SINGLE FATALITY.

                    What are you even doing, man?

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                    The shelling of a school, a kindergarten, and residential areas along the line of contact in eastern Ukraine on February 17, 2022, apparently by Russia-backed armed groups, injured civilians and damaged civilian infrastructure, Human Rights Watch said today.

                    Bro, you’re so bad at this that you’re providing me evidence for MY argument.

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                  17 hours ago

                  Are you making the point that Russians are genetically evil, no matter the time period or mode of production?

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                  I’d guess all the Ukranian Jews killed by Banderite Holocaust collaborators in world War 2 would have a different opinion too, whats your point?