The city of Tehran witnessed a noticeable decline in unrest on Friday night, following the deployment of Basij forces to contain the recent wave of violence. According to Fars News Agency, the capital saw relative calm, with only limited rioting reported, a significant reduction compared to the previous night’s events.
Iranian state television reported on Thursday that two members of the security forces were killed by rioters in the city of Qom. In a separate development, state media aired footage showing the arrest of an armed group in Lorestan province.
Moreover, the police chief of Holilan district in Ilam province was killed amid the unveiling events in the country, Iranian police reported.
Rioters also burned a security officer alive in Marvdasht, in the Fars province, state broadcasters reported, describing the incident as a blatant act of terrorism that shocked the local community
Ah yes lets disregard the tweet on mossad account they made in farsi. I dont expect you to know that though since you clearly know so much about iran. its absurd that you call this a conspiracy theory when its publicly available. How can i take you seriously when you cant even investigate a fycking twitter post?
But sure its not like last time the revolution brought bad results. And surely the mossad help is gonna be great its not like fucking israelies have bad intentions for iran.
Yes, I’m going to disregard it because fucking Israel can’t manufacture organic revolutions. You have to be so mind numbingly brain dead to think that’s even possible. Just because you have Israel as your big boogeyman, that doesn’t mean they can start magically doing things like convincing an entire country turn out against the ruling regime.
Back during the cold war the US and Soviet Union used to have a fun competition of toppling regimes, and the methods they used were NOTHING like this. They used to fund proxy groups, give arms to different opposing groups, . The people in Iran are nothing like that. They’re your average citizen. They have no weapons, no money, and no future.
Like take a step back and just use your brain for once. Over the past 3 years alone, the Iranian regime has…:
Maybe, just maybe, Iranians have genuine grievances against their government? Could it be possible that the people who have been so improvised and oppressed for so long feel like they have nothing to lose anymore? Like seriously, how can someone see all of this and think “this must be one big Israeli conspiracy”, it’s just such a childish take. No, there’s no big mystery behind it. The Iranian theocracy is cartoonishly evil, incompetent, and corrupt that the people of Iran just feel fed up. Their risking their lives because they want change.
Will Israel and other foreign powers want to take advantage? Of course they will. But that’s how geopolitics works and has always worked. Internal revolutions and unrest in a country are never truly internal, they’re always global events concentrated in one place. Does this fact being true invalidate the will of the Iranian people? Fuck no, and it stupid to think this way. Does this fact mean we should support the Iranian regime? Also fuck no, evil regimes need to be rightfully toppled by the hands of the people.
Lol boogeyman. Dont make me laugh. A human who sees what israel did doesnt need to look again. He knows what they are. Its beyond debate beyond need of argument. Indeed youre right by definition a “revolution” which was influenced by enemy is by defunition not organic. Great argument, and completely irrelevant here.
now regardung the listing of some real and some fabricated crimes, yes they are cartoonishly evil and of course nothing in comparison to what we do or what the leader of iran we liked did. Shah, israel, us all far more cartoonishly evil then what you listed. Now i see you quite clearly, you seem to be quitw a fan of israeli war crimes. Well what a surprise, you should hide that a bit more. Maybe the hasbara will work better when its believable that you actually care about the people on whose behalf youre claiming to argue. The single fact that youre willing to disregard the exact part pointing to the involvement shows your bad faith. When youre unable to argue something, you disregard it. But i should concede, any side the genocider is on, i will argue for the other side. Thats i think moral imperative, i will never ally myself with a genocide. But honestly even the favt that you didnt know of the post and then wasnt able/willing to check shows how deeply you care. Also the fact that these shits are involved tells anyone what sort of change we could expect. Israel wanted us war with iran, well they didnt get that, so other options are being tested.
Also see how i dont need to insult you baselessly? Are you so unsure in your claim that you need those ad homina?
The American revolution was financed, armed, and supported by France, as well as Spain and the Netherlands to a lesser extent to weaken Britain.
The revolutions that led to the independence of Spanish colonies in Latin America throughout the 1800s, were all supported by Britain to weaken Spain.
Greek independence was heavily supported by France and Britain to help weaken the Ottoman Empire.
The Soviet Union influenced and directly supported, funded, and armed the Communist revolution in China.
The Mexican revolution was supported by the US to weaken Spain.
I could keep going, but I think you get the idea. Are you going to tell me that all of these revolutions and uprisings in history are fake and inorganic because foreign powers played a role? Are you seriously going to tell me that the people who rose up and participated didn’t have genuine grievances and that it was better for them to shut up and put up with their oppressors? It’s like I said before, it’s asinine. Revolutions are always global events. There’s no such thing as a revolution that happens in a vacuum, especially in a major country as big as Iran. There will always be foreign powers who want to shift the tides in their favor, however, their meddling does not detract from the will of people who are actually carrying out the revolution.
Every single thing that I stated on that list is factually true, every single one. I know for a fact that you can’t find a single false one in there, and therefore this statement is nothing more than apologia for the Iranian regime.
No, the theocracy is way more evil and it’s not even close. The fact that you even say this just shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s a statement bred out of ignorance. Not only is your statement here false, but it is also entirely meaningless. Why? Because it’s irrelevant. What you personally deem to be more or less evil means absolutely nothing. The only relevant point is that the Iranian people deem their regime to be evil, and they’re rising up because of this view. You can’t wash away the regime’s crimes or the grievances of the people with some weak fallacious attempts at whataboutism.
This is just pathetic, even for you. There isn’t even a point in acknowledging these accusations because we both know that I didn’t express any support for Israel whatsoever at any point during our conversation… so who are you trying to convince here exactly? Nobody is reading this convo besides us. So I ask again, who? Yourself? Like come on.
These accusations are so bad that they just make you sound insecure about your worldview. Which is really ironic, because later in your comment you went out of your way to call me out for baseless accusations and insults, and you even mentioned how my usage of them implied that I was unsure in my claims… but here you are doing the very thing you called out.
That’s the thing though, I didn’t disregard it. I explicitly acknowledged it, however, I also said that it doesn’t invalidate the revolution. The fact that you’re strawmanning my clearly laid out position and derailing this whole conversation from the actual topic into a pissing match where you just try to attack my character (irony yet again), thus forcing me defend myself like I am doing right now shows that I’m not the one acting in bad faith here. I still very much want to get back on topic.
There are two sides here: the people and the regime. The people are fighting for their rights, freedoms, and country. The regime is fighting to maintain it’s brutal tyranny, oppression, and grip on power. You’re explicitly siding with oppressor at the expense of the people. That’s not a moral stance in any capcity.
Keep in mind, the Iranian regime is very much genocidal and what they have done in both Iran and in the region via their terrorist proxies is nothing short of horrific. What the Iranian militias did in my home country (Iraq) can and should be considered genocide. So you don’t have the moral imperative even by your own definition.
The central issue here is you mentally locked yourself with a false assumption. Automatically supporting “the other side” collapses moral judgment into a false binary, ignores cases where multiple sides commit atrocities, and can even force support for another genocidal party, which is exactly the case here. Opposing a genocider does not require endorsing their enemy, and framing it that way mistakes moral clarity for moral absolutism. A principled stance is to oppose and condemn genocide wherever it occurs without automatically legitimizing or advocating for those who may also cause grave harm. In other words you can be against the Israel and the Iranian regime while standing with the people.
Again, stop trying to delegitimize the grievances of the Iranian people. What you’re doing here is unironically racist. These people are not pawns of Israel. They have agency and they know what they’re fighting for and what they’re fighting against. This is the real world, not stop geopolitics simulation game. The world doesn’t revolve around Israel, and these people are not going to put up with their oppressor just because you don’t like a potential geopolitical outcome. We’re talking about 91 million people here who their rights, freedoms, sovereignty, and country back. Why are you against that? Why are you siding with the oppressor? Like you actually need to reexamine your values because this is messed up.
Completely fair. As you can see, there’s no ad homs in this comment, and there won’t be going forward. I ask that you follow your own advice so we can have a common understanding.
Dont dodge the point. Sure if you abandon the definition you brought to table then indeed if we change the definition the conclusion changes. I mean what definition of organic do we take?
so you abandon israel not being a boogeyman? Why? Arent they corageous in their genocide? In other war crimes? Whats the issue? And the single datapoint in this debate namely the tweet remains unchecked. Shows the seriousness.
the most absurd one is the inflation. Blaming a state for the blockade being put on it was a strategy since chile and cuba, you put on the blockade and when the economy reacts accordingly, you blame their own system. Its laughable if it wasnt so serious. not to say your list doesnt even have the worst of the latest crimes. The sole numbers of say political prisoners and use of torture for one. But yes this was also under shah, still i would consider it worse than anything you wrote,
ok we can get into comparing the say savak methods of persecution vs the current and try to show some marginal difference there. Regarding say the economy its quite a bigger difference. Namely the oil. Under shah western owned he and bunch of his friends as essentially sole iranian beneficiaries. Classic colonial model. Under republic its nationalized, and even with many cons it still has been used to subsidize bread and fuel, charity through bonyads which are significant, and large emploment numbers givrn that the money stays in the domestic economy. But yes if you want to blame the blockade on the ones being hit by it, and make the same mistake as was done numerously before, go ahead. Ok for the case of us and israel do we agree? If not refer to the nearest genocide. israel does the most evil shit ive ever read, also with nazi crimes. Iran has never done what we or israel did in there.
regarding the israeli fanhood, you mentioned them in the supposed crimes of iran, like the proxy part? Have you forgotten? Idk why you wrote them there but ok.
Sorry, you acknowledged openly that you will disregard it. I dont even know if you checked since you began with, that it may even not be true.
Its not a clearly moral one i agree. Its like allying with say franco despite knowing ehat he is, to get hitler. But still I do consider that moral, especially if it had been because of opposition to holocaust. Your interpretation of law is subjective. War is different and horrible especially for the victims. Genocide is something else. To counter this is indefensible. Dont try to slip into that. I agree the people are the morally simplest and cleanest position. And also toothless. Power to the people! i meam you can try to ignore the israeli part of this, as you did so far, but i wont. and again if israel was already reformed, i would absolutely argue for the same in iran, saudi arabia, obviously sudan, uae, egypt, to finish in yemen etc.
Wow this is absurd. I have close family ties to iran. Please dont do such unsubstantiated shit again. Maybe thats why i mentioned the tweet being in farsi. See i know personally people in iran, thats why i know that this position is far more nuanced. Yes change would be great, but so far it never was.
Im not siding with the genocider. I wont concede single step to israel. Not until they change. only if they fought another comparable genocider then it could get gray. But they arent.
ok i understand this can get heated, not my honest intention either. look i think we both argue for what we think is better for people of iran. Im just more skeptical, given who the new friends of iran would be, and how that turned out last time.
I think you misunderstood my point. I think we can agree that there’s a clear difference between an organic and inorganic uprising. An organic uprising is one by the people, for the people. An inorganic uprising is one that is done in spite of the people, or in other words, its manufactured. An example of an organic protest would be the French Revolution, an example of an inorganic one would be the Bay of Pigs invasion.
I think we can also agree that internal uprisings are international events. Every revolution and every major protests is going to catch the attention of other countries because the outcomes could either benefit or harm them, as I’ve very clearly demonstrated with the historical examples that I provided earlier. There’s no such thing as a revolution that happens in a vacuum.
With that being said, our disagreement is this. You’re saying that Israel is probably involved in these protests against the regime in some way, and you’re probably right. I’m not disagreeing with their involvement or support for the protesters. Israel, like many other countries has interest in supporting or opposing the regime. However, the involvement of any country in trying to influence the protests does NOT invalidate the legitimate grievances of the people, the evils of the regime, or the organic nature of the protest.
I don’t give a single fuck about Israel because this isn’t about them. This is about Iran and the Iranian people, and that’s it You keep trying so hard to turn this to be some moral conflict about Israel, but it will never work because it’s simply not the case. Israel is simply another foreign actor trying to sway the protests in their favor, nothing more, nothing less. It’s like I said before, the only moral conflict here is between choosing to support the regime vs the people, and I made it very clear that I firmly think that your position of supporting the oppressive regime over the people is a morally compromised view.
First of all, Iran is not under a blockade. A blockade is a specific term that describes when a country uses military force to all trade traffic from physically entering/leaving a specific region. That’s not what’s happening here. Iran is under sanctions from Western countries, which means that Western countries passed laws that prohibit conducting specific activities such as travel, finance, trade with Iran in specific industries. This means that Iran can still trade with other countries that it’s not sanctioned by, and it does… a lot.
Second of all, Iran has been sanctioned for a looooong time now. They’re beyond the initial shocks of the sanctions. What’s happening to their currency now is their doing. Take a look at this chart that shows the exchange rate chart of the Iranian Rial to the USD over time:
https://www.xe.com/en-ca/currencycharts/?from=IRR&to=USD&view=10Y
As you can very clearly see, the Iranian Rial has been relatively stable since 2018, and then completely tanked this month. Why? Well, for a very long time, the Iranian regime has heavily subsidized its own industries in hopes of fostering them to avoid the strain caused by the sanctions. Sounds nice, but here’s the issue, this just means that Iran has printing money at a unsustainable rate for a long time.
It worked for awhile because, as you seem aware, the heavily subsidized industries were selling at very low prices, which the people benefited from, and thus prevented them from revolting due to all the tyranny. However, this artificially low prices caused unsustainable levels of over consumption that disrupted supply chains. It also didn’t help that companies didn’t earn enough revenue on their own to stay afloat and were reliant on the regime’s subsidies. The economic model that the regime chose basically a ran like a Ponzi scheme.
And just like a normal Ponzi scheme, the whole thing collapses when new money dries up, and that’s exactly what happened. Recently the regime decided to drastically reduce their domestic subsidies in an effort to pay for damages done during their 12 day war with Israel. This shocked the system. All the companies and industries, which were ran by corrupt regime officials or their friends, found themselves on their own. They desperately jacked up prices to unsustainable levels in hopes of making up the lost subsidy money. But by doing so, they created run away inflation and showed that the Iranian currency is actually worthless by exposing the real prices. Thus creating mass panic, which is what sparked the protests.
And you’re entirely correct. I just gave a short list of examples, not a comprehensive list. I would hit the word limit real quick if I did that.
In 1988, the current regime murdered 4-5k political prisoners. That instance alone has resulted in more deaths than the Savak has ever done in its entire existence. The Shah’s regime wasn’t good, but the differences aren’t marginal. The current regime is way worse.
The current regime operates in a very similar way actually.
It’s intellectually lazy and ignorant to chalk up all of Iran’s economic problems on sanctions, when a lot of issues were caused by the regime’s own incompetence. The sanctions play a role obviously, but they’re not everything. I’m not mistaken about this, you are.
No, we don’t, but I also don’t want this to turn into pointless pissing match where I list Iranian atrocities and you list Israeli ones. That means nothing in regards to this topic. To make your question meaningful, let’s apply it in the current context. The Iranian people are revolting against their regime for the way it has been treating them. Has either the US or Israel been treating their citizens just as bad or worse than the Iranian regime has done with theirs? No. It’s a pretty stark difference. Hence why the US and Israel aren’t facing revolutions against their governments at the moment but Iran is.
I wasn’t listing their crimes per se, but rather their failures as a regime. While their proxies are 100% terrorist groups, that doesn’t change the fact that the Iranian regime spent tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars funding them at the expense of their own people… only to lose most of them in a couple of years. From the perspective of the Iranian people, they just saw their hard earned money literally go up in flames. Even the most rabid regime lover in Iran has to be furious at this display of incompetence.
That’s not a moral position. The moral position would be to support neither of them because they’re both evil pieces of shit. Which is what I’m doing, and you’re not. You support the Iranian regime, and you accuse me of supporting Israel. However, I explicitly said that I don’t, and the only reason you’re insisting on it is to compensate for your moral shortcomings by projecting them on to me. In reality, I support neither Israel or Iran, I support the Iranian people.
What law? I was talking about your moral inconsistency. I was pointing out that it is morally consistent to oppose evil where ever you see it. You don’t do that, you’re openly telling me that you’re against Israel evil but perfectly okay with Iranian evil because it suits your ideological agenda. This shows that you lack real values. The “lesser of two evils” bullshit isn’t a valid justification, it’s a weak cop out excuse to try and pretend an indefensible double standard. If you don’t oppose all evil out of principle, then you endorse it.
Iranian citizen: “The regime robbed me of my rights, oppressed my female relatives, and beat up my friends for speaking up to all the injustice. It’s time to take back our country!”
You: “Hold on there bucko, didn’t you know that Israel might be helping in achieving your desired goal? They’re committing atrocities elsewhere therefore that renders your lived experiences, grievances, and your brave resistance entirely meaningless. Until Israel reforms itself, I will completely stand by your oppressor and support your prolonged suffering”
Do you even begin to understand how depraved, unhinged, and batshit crazy your position here is?
Same here, doesn’t change the fact that I was said was true regardless
Again, your false dichotomy won’t be true no matter how much you repeat it. Siding with the Iranian people =/= supporting Israel. If you can’t understand this basic fact this conversation is pointless
Iran’s current friends are Pakistan, China, and Russia, all of which are genociders. How is that any better? The only difference is that people are suffering more now than ever before. If you care about the people, then you won’t oppose them like this
Ok these are fine definitions. Issue is with how vague the organic definition is, notice how easy it allows color revolutionbto fall there. Its not that the people arent in the streets, its not that some marginal improvement will happen, its that the funders and orchestrators are primary beneficiaries. Using the people for their own games.
israel is not a normal country. To me this translates to a situation where nazi germany supported protests in say sudetenland. Now dont get me wrong, the people there could better their living, but i will never forget this backer. And never support him willingly even inditectly. And when you say that you dont care about israel, i think thats the issue here. this is an absolute for me. A line i cannot cross. Thats why i use the nazi comparison.
sorry yes technivally its not a full blockade, and luckily thanks to china their oil is not completely blocked. But its obviously not a free market, and deeply simmilar to chile and cuba blockades, and in both these cases major efforts were made to blame their gvmt and not the blockade just like here(im not blaming you just the narrative). Its weird to me that you as an iraqi see sanctions as something morally acceptable.
Regarding the moral compromise, yes i see what you mean, how can we ignore the iranian peoples suffering. Well i dont, i genuinely dont believe the outcome will be better in long run. I think if it will be like syria than thats a still one of the better cases. Honestly i think that a civil proxy war is what israel wants most, to turn iran and now sorry but essentially into post war iraq. Now we know the human costs of that war and the sanctions.
ahh printing money unsustainably, yes thats a first one. Its not like too many of countries we call allies do that. See if there werent the sanctions this wouldnt happen, youre blaming a victim who we shot in a leg for stumbling.
The sole tolls are indeed worse now. But the economic oppression which was far wider was way worse under shah, and there foreign trade was massive, so entirely deliberate.
the point abiut blaming it on sanctions is in my view hollow, as i said i see it as the continuation of the narrative used in other cases i listed, its weird to me again that you dont see the paralel with iraq. Its not like iraq id responsible for the hundreds of thousands starved children. And we have record of this. Blamed directly on sanctions. Im saying, its not irrational, in any sense.
if we dont agree that genocide as bad as the gazan one, or say the second gulf war(not to say vietnam) is an atrocity which doesnt make any sense to compare to anything iran ever did, then we indeed fundamentaly disagree, becauee here i think you have serious knowledge gap, again im not trying to insult you, but the disagreement is so deep that i cant imagine good faith here. Again im trying.
They are terrorists, israel is a genocider. Now this ties to a point with franco. Yes im absolutely doing a lesser evil when it leads to stoping genocide sooner. I couldnt deliberately and knowingly prolong holocaust just so that we fight franco also. We disagree on morality here. I see preventing genocide as absolute.
Not at all. Sure say soviet suffered under stalin, and there is no way i wiuld ever argue to overthrow him while nazis were in power. Its absurd to not see this. Your like the solzynetsin point, weitdly too simmilar. Nazis also in his view gave russians an opportunity to overthrow thei gvmt.
i dont dab in imagined testimonies. I despise those producing them.
self hating jew much? Yes im sure i hate my family. I mean this is absurd. Now this cant be good faith this is a deliberate insult. Fuck you
well we can end the discussion right here. To call china russia pakistan(weirdly not india) genociders proves bad faith. I dont respect you anymore. and yes i deeply genuenly appreciate their alliance. Also i like northern korea. Figure much?
but interestingly the comparison to solzynetsin is really good here. Its so simmilar and exacly its not that i think that people of soviets didnt suffer under stalin, the tolls were highest, but in no scenario would i argue what this cunt ‘disident’ did, that nazis are giving opportunity to russians. great simmilarity
Ps hey new development https://thecradle.co/articles/millions-take-to-the-streets-of-iran-in-mass-counterprotests-against-riots-foreign-interference
why are you denying iranian people their government? Do you only understand brutality? Like in venezuela?
This term is not a pejorative, the only people who think so are tankies who unironically simp for Soviet tyranny and atrocities. The actual color revolutions of the post USSR states are great examples in history of peaceful revolutions that succeeded in achieving their goals. Considering how much better the post Soviet states are doing now and how the people themselves celebrate these revolutions. why would anybody be against this?
Okay, now you’re officially crossing the line from being a reasonable skeptic to being a full blown conspiracy theorist nut. If you want to argue that Israel is actively trying to influence these protests to turn the tides in its favor, then that’s fine. That’s a plausible claim to argue. However, to claim that these protests are funded and orchestrated by Israel is a baseless conspiracy theory. Unless, you can provide credible sources that prove this exact claim directly, which I highly doubt, then this claim is going to be rightfully dismissed as nonsense.
These situations are not comparable in the slightest. It is false equivalency in the most literal sense of the word. The current Iranian revolution and the Hitler’s moves on Sudetenland have no parallels between them. This is like saying WWI and the Emu war are comparable because they both have guns.
Here’s the difference. When I said I don’t care about Israel, I said so because Israel is irrelevant here. This is not their doing and this isn’t about them, even if they are trying to influence the results. You, on the other hand, have convinced yourself this revolution is some proxy war instigated by Israel and they’re manufactured every single aspect of it… without any actual evidence to prove this of course. That’s not a reasonable conclusion based on factual evidence, that’s willingly deluding yourself into believing something that isn’t true just because it aligns with a narrative you’ve subscribed to.
Assuming you’re a Marxist of some type, having you argue for free markets is certainly interesting. Regardless, a free market refers to an economy that is regulated by the laws of supply and demand, it doesn’t refer to international trade unless you’re specifically talking about policies that allow free trade like NAFTA. Sanctions are just basically nation sized boycotts, they’re not blockades. Chile, Cuba, and Iran are not under blockade, not now and not under any time in recent history.
If a country doesn’t wish to trade with another country, that is their prerogative. You can’t force a country to trade with you. If you’re unironically going to argue for free markets and against sanctions then that means you find the BDS movement to be morally unacceptable because it goes against the very things you’re advocating for here… yet somehow I have a feeling that you’re okay when countries don’t want to trade with Israel, but not when they don’t want to trade with Iran . Which, once again, shows that your views are not principled, just ideological.
But that’s not for you to decide though. That’s for Iranian people to decide, and they decided that this regime has to go.
This is just historical ignorance. Iran and Iraq are nothing alike:
The chances of Iran devolving like Iraq is very unlikely.
They do, and it’s a big problem. The only difference is that the Iranian regime printed out more and is too incompetent to implement strategies to buy themselves time like Western countries, and that’s way their day of reckoning has come a lot sooner.
I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about here
I don’t see parallels because there isn’t any. Are you sure you have ties to the region? Because this should be obvious.
You understand those deaths were caused by the wars and not by the sanctions, right? The sanctions happened before then when Saddam Hussein was still in power, and that didn’t results in hundreds of thousands of dead children. The wars themselves and their effects (like destroyed infrastructure) is what caused the high death tolls.
The only and only reason you would ever say this is because you’re, ironically, ignorant. The more this conversation goes on, the more it’s apparent that you have no ties to this region whatsoever. I actually lived in Iraq and Syria. My grandparents spent time in Tehran. My people come from the border region between Iraq and Iran. My parents, uncles and aunts, and grandparents literally tell me stories of them experiences the events I’m telling you. So to have you try to lecture me on how something that my family lived through is not real is fascinating.
The Iranian regime doesn’t commit atrocities directly like Turkey or Israel, they do it via their proxy groups. The regime literally created a special military branch in the IRGC called the Quds Force that’s responsible for “unconventional warfare”, and this branch is responsible for Iran’s proxies. The ones in Iraq have bombed schools, hospitals, and markets, systemically massacred religious minorities, kidnapped all the men and boys of entire villages and killed them just because they’re Sunni, tortured people for no reason, raped girls at random, and gunned down thousands of protestors who stood up to them. They’re just as bad as ISIS, and every Iraqi hates them and the regime that’s openly propping them.
In what universe is keeping an incompetent evil regime, like the Iranian theocracy, going to stop Israel? Israel has made them their bitch time and time again, and when it was time for them to act… they did nothing. Israel exposed them for being weak and toothless. If you’re banking on them stopping Israel, then you’re betting on a lost cause. The only thing keeping this regime would do is prolong the suffering of the people living under it. Not to mention, as explained earlier, that the Iranian regime is just as evil as Israel. There’s no way you can spin it around. If you hate one for being evil, but the support the other even though evil, then you’re a hypocrite. It shows that your morality is nonexistent because it’s unprincipled. You’re just substituting ideology for morality.
Stalin and Hitler are the same level of evil. They were literally allies before Hitler invaded. Not to mention that at the end of the day, they both committed genocide and millions of people died as a result. If you support either in any way then you just might be evil yourself.
No, it proves you’re either ignorant or an evil hypocrite. China is committing genocide in Tibet and Xinjiang. Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine. Pakistan is committing genocide against their Hindu minority in Sindh. All of these are happening right now. I didn’t mention India because India doesn’t care about the regime like these countries do.
I called you racist because you defended the notion that Iranians have no agency and were controlled by Israel, which is not true and racist. Throwing a tantrum is not going to change th
I’m not surprised, but it’s a confirmation that you don’t actually stand for anything. Your criticism of Israel or the US is meaningless when you turned around simp for Russia and North Korea.
I like how you keep trying to make this guy seem bad when in reality he just an activist and author who wrote down the truth about the evils Soviet regime in his works.
I forgot to reply to the article.
Yeah, this article is complete bullshit. If you actually read it, which I highly doubt you did, you’ll notice that the article is citing two sources IRIB and Al Mayadeen News. When click on the Al Mayadenn News tweets that the article cites, you’ll quickly realize that the video footage they’re using in the video comes IRIB, which means this information only comes from a single source, IRIB.
Now, when you google “IRIB”, you’ll see that this is an acronym for “Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting”, which is the official state owned and operated media company of the Iranian regime. This company has a monopoly of ALL television and radio broadcasting in Iran. What this means is that this is the actual, literal propaganda arm of the Iranian regime. That’s the source for this.
When you look into it further, you’ll see on the wiki page that IRIB has a very long and well documented history of just making up stuff to make the regime look good. For example, back in April 2024, the regime via this outlet claimed that they struck Israel with missiles and it caused extensive damage, and then showed footage of the supposed aftermath. However, it was later verified that the footage was actually from a fire in Chile that happened months prior.
Considering how literally no other news outlet anywhere in the world has independently reported the same events taking place, it’s safe to say that they didn’t actually happen. There’s only a handful of articles from obscure outlets that reported these events supposedly taking place, but all of them cite IRIB as the source. I do suspect that there were counter protests because the regime did something similar back during the 2022-2023 protests and the 2019-2020 protests. Basically when the country showed out in full force against the regime, they immediately shut down the internet, and ordered schools, universities, and government employees to go out out and stand in pro government rallies or face consequences. Then the regimes took carefully curated footage of these fake rallies and plastered them all over their state media in hopes of disheartening some protestors from showing out. It never really worked, but theocrats aren’t the brightest.
What makes me believe that these events are fake, are interestingly from the regime itself. Today they came out and publicly admitted that they killed over 2000 protestors since the protests begin. Keep in mind, this is the regime saying this, so this is them manipulating numbers to make themselves seem good. In reality, activists and independent journalists have been tracking morgue numbers in the country for the past couple of weeks, and they’re claiming that the regime actually 12,000 people. This number is probably inflated and untrue, and the regime’s number is definitely manipulated and untrue. So the reality is somewhere in the middle. Regardless, if the regime is as popular as it make itself out to be, this situation wouldn’t be what it is.
Even if we accept the regimes numbers as true, that is an INSANE number. The revolution that took place in Egypt in 2011 that overthrew Mubarek had less 1000 deaths. The one in 2013 that overthrew Morsi had 1400 deaths. The 2011 Tunisian revolution had around 400 deaths. The Syrian revolution prior to the civil war had around 1000 deaths. There’s way more like the recent ones in Nepal, Madagascar, and elsewhere that achieved results with less deaths. The scale of this violence means that something seismic is happening over there. The regime is basically declaring war on the people. They’re literally sending in the military to massacre unarmed protestors.
Sources: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/about-2000-killed-iran-protests-official-says-2026-01-13/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Broadcasting#Controversies
Actually, it’s the opposite. I want the Iranian people to take the government they’ve been denied. The Iranian people are literally telling the world right now that they reject this government. The fact that you’re simping for the regime is honestly disgusting and shameful.
Do you? You’re supporting a regime that’s been oppressing the Iranian people, stealing their money, destroying their economy, suppressing their rights, censoring their voices, and massacring them like animals on the streets, I stand with the people and always will. If you’re not going to stand with the people, then stand out of the way because you can’t stop these people and their quest for freedom. Your support for their oppression will not be forgotten. History doesn’t favor those on the wrong side of it.
Bruv didnt read. You said that russia china and pakistan are genociders. You make solzynetsin argument. You imply im self hating jew. You deny iranians what millions of them protested for, despite pretending to care for them. I mean this was your core argument, what iranians demonstrably stood for, well now that developments occured, too bad i guess ha? I mean its obvious why, I unlike you have personal stake in this, for you this is great fun, I have interest in this not by choice.
Why bother? I dont care what you think, if this is part of it. These are indefensible positions. These arent serious arguable positions.
if they are, do so. Prove that you actually mean what you say.
also interesting one: https://thegrayzone.com/2026/01/12/western-media-riots-iran-govt-regime-change
and my supreme leaders word: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCg_YHYzMs