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Scientists have been forced to rethink the intelligence of cattle after an Austrian cow named Veronika displayed an impressive – and until now undocumented – knack for tool use.
Witgar Wiegele, an organic farmer and baker from a small town in Carinthia near the Italian border, keeps Veronika as a pet and noticed that she occasionally played with sticks and used them to scratch her body.
Word soon got around and before long a video clip of the cow’s behaviour reached biologists in Vienna who specialise in animal intelligence. They immediately grasped the importance of the footage. “It was a cow using an actual tool,” said Dr Antonio Osuna Mascaró at the city’s University of Veterinary Medicine. “We got everything ready and jumped in the car to visit.”
Veronika is far from making even misshapen tools, but her prowess in using them has impressed nonetheless. Over seven sessions of 10 trials, the researchers witnessed 76 instances of tool use as she grabbed the broom to scratch otherwise unreachable regions. Using both ends of the brush counts as multi-purpose tool use, the scientists say, which is extraordinarily rare. Beyond humans, it has only been shown convincingly in chimpanzees.
INCOMING! THE VEGANS ARE INCOMING!
Don’t worry, this animal wielding a stick is still incomprehensibly dumb enough that it still would look good on a barbecue.
I get why you would think that vegans would use this as a “see! I told you animals were complex!” but no one ever said they weren’t, just that they are tasty.
Respecting animals doesn’t mean you have to become vegan. It does mean tha we shouldn’t be housing them in massive barns and killing them by the millions.
I feel like we shouldn’t be doing that regardless of their intellect. I eat meat btw. I believe in free roaming meat of all kinds.
Any other case where you cause unnecessary harm to someone while “respecting” them? And if so, then what’s that respect worth?
Unnecessary harm means housing hundreds or thousands of animals and birds in massive barns without access to the outside environment. It’s no different than having pets, where you care for them, feed them and take them for walks. It doesn’t mean you can never kill them for food if needed.
That’s what respect means.
That’s the point, we don’t need to kill them for food, which makes it unnecesary harm.
We don’t need to kill plants for food either.
I disagree but to each their own.
Are the hundreds of millions of people who live without eating animals secretly reptiloid, or how do you make sense of that?
How do you “disagree”? We can disagree with opinions but weather or not humans need to eat animals to be healthy is a fact.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
I do actually. We need nutrients to survive, all of which can be obtained without hurting animals.
War.
You can absolutely respect an enemy while throwing all sorts of horrible stuff at them…
In that case you are either on the defending side, in which case the harm is not unnecessary or you are on the attacking side, which I can see no respect in.
Lacking photosynthesis, we have to kill to eat. The fact that plants don’t have faces and lack any common means of communication with us does not make them any less evolved than any other creature.
It is easy to think of them as inert objects that lack any sense of the world around them, but we already know that not to be the case. I think that understanding that makes it impossible to distinguish killing a plant or an animal. The best we can do is hold the lives we have to take in high regard by being humane, including to plants, and to avoid waste and frivolous killing.
I can’t read this as anything but solipsism or maybe good old-fashioned intellectual dishonesty. We know that animals are capable of pain and suffering and we know that plants lack the prerequisites like a nervous system, as well as any evolutionary benefit of pain, because they cannot remove themselves from danger.
The position that causing pain or not causing pain is equal is just morally bankrupt.
Oh and even if killing an animal vs. killing a plant was morally analogous, it would still be better to eat the plants directly, since many more plants are harvested to raise a single animal than it would take to feed a human.
I really don’t understand the argument of saying plants are sentient in some way because they emit chemicals when harmed or recoil. My knee jumps up if I tap it with a hammer, my brain pulls my hand away from a hot stove before I can even register any pain, neither of those are “sentient” actions, that’s just how the cells respond to stimulus, and that automatic response is because of natural selection, not sentient choices or sensations. It’s like saying an auto-closing door is sentient and we ought not try to open it because whenever you try to open it it closes itself, so it “dislikes” being open.
I am not saying they are sentient. I am more saying that it is impossible to establish an objective valuation scale for the lives of creatures. You can choose whatever subjective one you want, but we can’t lose sight of the fact that it is just our own, and even getting an army of like minded people doesn’t make you any more objectively right or wrong.
The one I choose for myself is to do what I can to minimize the suffering of any living thing I can, and avoid excess consumption. Some others are more absolute, choosing to abstain entirely from any part of the meat industry until every part of it has its act together. Others refuse to eat anything but beans and leaves, leaving the most minimal environmental impact possible. All of those and any that avoid waste and needless suffering seem valid to me and not worth the division.
I agree actually. Im just warning you this post will be a vegan magnet.
Vegans are fine.
I do take issue with PETA tho as they have wiped out local economies and thrust them into poverty with their anti-fur stance.
Yup. My comment isnt anti-vegan for the record. They just show up en mass.
As I do for misogynistic trash articles.
To each their own.
I’m not vegan btw.