As a manager I’ll give you their thought process and from a mangers perspective it makes sense (albeit still wrong) and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t say it to the applicant.
Managers want robots that do their job and don’t call them out on their bullshit or question the decisions they make or their salary. That way they don’t have to give raises or address issues. When you ask questions on the interview that lead them to believe you are educated and stand up for yourself they don’t want to introduce you into their work bubble of other robots or it would start a rebellion. Hope this helps.
Anyone that isn’t asking basic shit about the job is either an idiot or dishonest and I don’t want them on my team. Provide honest answers to these questions immediately, ESPECIALLY work culture and responsibilities. Salary may not be appropriate at this specific stage in the interview, but if it’s the third round or later, it needs to be discussed.
EDIT: depends what type of team you manage I think…
I find it odd that US has this taboo of asking about salary during the first interview. I personally would not bother with a vacancy if the salary is not mentioned before applying or at least during the first conversation. Hiding such crucial information is seen as dishonest and a waste of time for both parties. I don’t care how amazing your work culture is or how passionate you as a company are about what you do if your pay sucks. No matter how many interviewing rounds you want to try and convince me you are awesome.
What job would I ever apply for that I didn’t have at least a ballpark for compensation to begin with?
I’m not going to go through the entire interview process only to then find out that they are offering half of what I’m looking for.
Sure I understand the company may not be able to give an exact price because what they’re prepared to offer will depend on what the other candidates are looking for and my experience level. But they should at least be able to tell me what the minimum and maximum values are, and they should at least be able to tell me approximately where I lie within that. If I have 10 plus years of experience in the industry then I would expect to be on the high end of that salary band, if you as a manager disagree, then that’s something we’re going to have a talk about right now.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers. That’s about as dumb as saying that all people interviewing are lazy people with no work ethics and just want to do nothing and get paid.
Based on this screenshot the candidate dodged a bullet because this particular manager/company sounds terrible.
It really depends on the type of job. If you are doing a cog-in-the-machine job like anything in retail, gastronomy or customer support, it’s exactly like Pacattack57 described.
I’m a retail manager and I’ve experienced shitty bosses in previous jobs too, and I don’t want my team to feel like a cog in a machine. I make sure my staff can come to me with anything and I’ll be transparent with them, because nobody deserves that kind of treatment if you’re trying to put in work for someone/somewhere. Turns out if your team are happy and trust you, they can even more productive! Who knew, right? 😅
If a candidate didn’t ask any questions at all in an interview, that’s more of a red flag to me because it can show they’re not even interested.
I’m a manager and I do not think like that at all. I want people with the right skillset who can do their job well without babysitting, and I strive to pay them as much I can with the budget.
It’s so fucking hard to find someone who’s not a fucking idiot that if I get one I’ll do everything I can to make sure they stay.
I also find that people that ask those kinds of questions are genuinely interested in working here. People that don’t ask those questions leave within a year.
I’ve found that bad managers tend to think that they are looking for an ideal candidate. That candidate is mind numbingly obsessed with working for them that they will degrade themselves for the opportunity to work for their company. Like they hear fake stories from CEOs and influencers about how when they were working they worked all day every day and skipped lunch to make sure they were the best employee in the company and believe that if you just interview hard enough you’ll find that golden idiot.
As soon as you deviate from that, the manager tells themself “well, this person asked about the work hours and overtime policy, clearly they aren’t ready to work 10 hours a day for no extra pay.” And anyone they do hire will never be enough.
Have you ever managed to get robots? I feel like the managers dream of effective and obedient workers is impossible. It’s like the triangle.
You have competence, cheapness, and honesty, pick 2.
Is the workers being done and they are doing so cheaply then you can guarantee they’re either stealing from you or would be perfectly happy to take bribes.
If you’ve got an honest effective workforce then you’re going to have to pay for it.
And if you’ve got a cheap and honest workforce they are absolutely not doing the job correctly (and you’re probably hiring consultants from Bangladesh or something)
As a manager I’ll give you their thought process and from a mangers perspective it makes sense (albeit still wrong) and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t say it to the applicant.
Managers want robots that do their job and don’t call them out on their bullshit or question the decisions they make or their salary. That way they don’t have to give raises or address issues. When you ask questions on the interview that lead them to believe you are educated and stand up for yourself they don’t want to introduce you into their work bubble of other robots or it would start a rebellion. Hope this helps.
As a manager, I disagree.
Anyone that isn’t asking basic shit about the job is either an idiot or dishonest and I don’t want them on my team. Provide honest answers to these questions immediately, ESPECIALLY work culture and responsibilities. Salary may not be appropriate at this specific stage in the interview, but if it’s the third round or later, it needs to be discussed.
EDIT: depends what type of team you manage I think…
I find it odd that US has this taboo of asking about salary during the first interview. I personally would not bother with a vacancy if the salary is not mentioned before applying or at least during the first conversation. Hiding such crucial information is seen as dishonest and a waste of time for both parties. I don’t care how amazing your work culture is or how passionate you as a company are about what you do if your pay sucks. No matter how many interviewing rounds you want to try and convince me you are awesome.
What job would I ever apply for that I didn’t have at least a ballpark for compensation to begin with?
I’m not going to go through the entire interview process only to then find out that they are offering half of what I’m looking for.
Sure I understand the company may not be able to give an exact price because what they’re prepared to offer will depend on what the other candidates are looking for and my experience level. But they should at least be able to tell me what the minimum and maximum values are, and they should at least be able to tell me approximately where I lie within that. If I have 10 plus years of experience in the industry then I would expect to be on the high end of that salary band, if you as a manager disagree, then that’s something we’re going to have a talk about right now.
Third round lmao what you guys hiring for, président ?
Engineering
Fair enough, long set are the days when a diploma meant something and now we have to ask interviewers which labubus they own type shit
In my experience each round is interviewing with different people, or different teams. It’s not three rounds with one person / team.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers. That’s about as dumb as saying that all people interviewing are lazy people with no work ethics and just want to do nothing and get paid.
Based on this screenshot the candidate dodged a bullet because this particular manager/company sounds terrible.
It really depends on the type of job. If you are doing a cog-in-the-machine job like anything in retail, gastronomy or customer support, it’s exactly like Pacattack57 described.
I’m a retail manager and I’ve experienced shitty bosses in previous jobs too, and I don’t want my team to feel like a cog in a machine. I make sure my staff can come to me with anything and I’ll be transparent with them, because nobody deserves that kind of treatment if you’re trying to put in work for someone/somewhere. Turns out if your team are happy and trust you, they can even more productive! Who knew, right? 😅
If a candidate didn’t ask any questions at all in an interview, that’s more of a red flag to me because it can show they’re not even interested.
Or some great robots.
I’m a manager and I do not think like that at all. I want people with the right skillset who can do their job well without babysitting, and I strive to pay them as much I can with the budget.
It’s so fucking hard to find someone who’s not a fucking idiot that if I get one I’ll do everything I can to make sure they stay.
I also find that people that ask those kinds of questions are genuinely interested in working here. People that don’t ask those questions leave within a year.
If this is the kind of worker you want you should probably be pursuing an AI or real robotics to do your job and that of your underlings.
I’ve found that bad managers tend to think that they are looking for an ideal candidate. That candidate is mind numbingly obsessed with working for them that they will degrade themselves for the opportunity to work for their company. Like they hear fake stories from CEOs and influencers about how when they were working they worked all day every day and skipped lunch to make sure they were the best employee in the company and believe that if you just interview hard enough you’ll find that golden idiot.
As soon as you deviate from that, the manager tells themself “well, this person asked about the work hours and overtime policy, clearly they aren’t ready to work 10 hours a day for no extra pay.” And anyone they do hire will never be enough.
This is exactly why it should be legally mandated to discuss those things during the interview process.
Have you ever managed to get robots? I feel like the managers dream of effective and obedient workers is impossible. It’s like the triangle.
You have competence, cheapness, and honesty, pick 2.
Is the workers being done and they are doing so cheaply then you can guarantee they’re either stealing from you or would be perfectly happy to take bribes.
If you’ve got an honest effective workforce then you’re going to have to pay for it.
And if you’ve got a cheap and honest workforce they are absolutely not doing the job correctly (and you’re probably hiring consultants from Bangladesh or something)