Consolidating control of everything is the motive and goal, but the mechanism for it being possible is the use of force to maintain physical control of things, even in feudalism.
I agree, but you have to sell it, to be able to do what you are talking about.
Violence is the instrument, that is used by those that have Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners/The Royal Families, thus violence is not needed without Capitalism/Feudalism trying to move money-resources to them.
Violence is always needed for property rights, even outside feudalism and capitalism, though. Violence is a consistent presence across system types. Violence as the means to property control exists outside of civilization itself.
Now that I have been thinking about this replies exchange & especially the above reply of your’s, I come back to reality of whom I really am- person that tries to stay peaceful & calm, but strong, in the face of people doing crazy & dangerous BLANK around me or directly against me. Examples-
Like I said other thread, when I first started bicycling in my own community to the nearest city, pickup trucks would play chicken with me for kicks. Only thing I did was call the cops & they shut that down in a heart beat.
I also have had an car driver try to block my cycling from continuing down the roadway, to fight me, I calmly just continue in the grass on the side of the roadway. They I guess give-up on fighting me, as I point-out the camera always recording (in 350-degrees) to another location, on the top my helmet.
As a long time protester I have had my former truck’s, when I was still driving, license plate recorded by the police, & stayed calm & simply carpooled & we all parked far away & walk to protests. But that is nothing, have had Homestead, Fl.’s Rodeo supporters threaten me, throw stuff at me, spit on me, use ugliest language at me & worst at the fellow female protesters. Sometimes right next to me, only stop after a decade of such behavior & realizing I was not going anywhere. The first time I ever did that rodeo protest threatened by state police, payed to work that rodeo every year, with being arrested, if I had not left, then I would been arrested, even though they had no right to do so. I stayed calm, but concerned, so I walked away, after talking to former organizer, she said that they had no right to do anything & she talked to the city’s police, that have the right of regulating activist. We went back to protesting, the state police never talked to us that year. Of course it took that decade for the state & city police to stop harassing us, especially, when I hand them copies of the sheriff’s cellphone number, that I speak with every year, before protesting. One-time one of those supporters drove their huge pick-up so close to my cycling, to protest the rodeo, that I almost was hit. I simply E-Mailed The Homestead Rodeo Association telling them, they do not want me to be hit, remember I had one best video recording, & PICs taking, camera on the market.
The point is when I maintain my calm, peaceful, but strong, self, I am better at addressing/thinking things through under such situations that can be extremely dangerous, especially if I reacted with anger, let alone violence. I am like everyone else, plenty situations where I have to calm myself down, before reacting in anger-violence.
Violence (sure not as much as the other reply, not comparing myself to them) reacted to with calm & figuring-out solutions around it. Again, come-on man, sound like Capitalist, or should I be saying Feudalist politicians denying facts.
There is a lot conditions added to that, of course when conflict is put in your face, you might to use violence. But then again, negotiation is untapped power,
Correction now I think about, remembering another thread about famous & except the fight for USAn Black People Rights were successful non-violent activist leaders, when violence is on them & all around them- Nelson Mandela, MLK Jr., Mr. Gandhi & Malcom X.
Checkmate, bro,
It just not as bad as you say it is, when peaceful activism successfully pushes out the two-strongest militaries of the world, at three-different times, in The 20th Century. There are even more successful & peaceful activist leaders & their campaigns.
Come-on, man, you sounding like a Capitalist person deny facts.
Everyone knows how much those famous Peaceful Activist Leaders, & those that followed their leader working for their rights, were killed & threatened with violence, spied on & jailed-imprisoned all the time. Yet they never used violence, even Mr. Mandela chose be Peaceful.
Consolidating control of everything is the motive and goal, but the mechanism for it being possible is the use of force to maintain physical control of things, even in feudalism.
I agree, but you have to sell it, to be able to do what you are talking about.
Violence is the instrument, that is used by those that have Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners/The Royal Families, thus violence is not needed without Capitalism/Feudalism trying to move money-resources to them.
Violence is always needed for property rights, even outside feudalism and capitalism, though. Violence is a consistent presence across system types. Violence as the means to property control exists outside of civilization itself.
I thought I can go to dark places, when living in such dark times, WOW!
I could not disagree more, Violence is no always present for property rights.
In what system place or time is force (violence) not a necessary part of ensuring property rights when conflicts arises?
Now that I have been thinking about this replies exchange & especially the above reply of your’s, I come back to reality of whom I really am- person that tries to stay peaceful & calm, but strong, in the face of people doing crazy & dangerous BLANK around me or directly against me. Examples-
Like I said other thread, when I first started bicycling in my own community to the nearest city, pickup trucks would play chicken with me for kicks. Only thing I did was call the cops & they shut that down in a heart beat.
I also have had an car driver try to block my cycling from continuing down the roadway, to fight me, I calmly just continue in the grass on the side of the roadway. They I guess give-up on fighting me, as I point-out the camera always recording (in 350-degrees) to another location, on the top my helmet.
As a long time protester I have had my former truck’s, when I was still driving, license plate recorded by the police, & stayed calm & simply carpooled & we all parked far away & walk to protests. But that is nothing, have had Homestead, Fl.’s Rodeo supporters threaten me, throw stuff at me, spit on me, use ugliest language at me & worst at the fellow female protesters. Sometimes right next to me, only stop after a decade of such behavior & realizing I was not going anywhere. The first time I ever did that rodeo protest threatened by state police, payed to work that rodeo every year, with being arrested, if I had not left, then I would been arrested, even though they had no right to do so. I stayed calm, but concerned, so I walked away, after talking to former organizer, she said that they had no right to do anything & she talked to the city’s police, that have the right of regulating activist. We went back to protesting, the state police never talked to us that year. Of course it took that decade for the state & city police to stop harassing us, especially, when I hand them copies of the sheriff’s cellphone number, that I speak with every year, before protesting. One-time one of those supporters drove their huge pick-up so close to my cycling, to protest the rodeo, that I almost was hit. I simply E-Mailed The Homestead Rodeo Association telling them, they do not want me to be hit, remember I had one best video recording, & PICs taking, camera on the market.
The point is when I maintain my calm, peaceful, but strong, self, I am better at addressing/thinking things through under such situations that can be extremely dangerous, especially if I reacted with anger, let alone violence. I am like everyone else, plenty situations where I have to calm myself down, before reacting in anger-violence.
I’m sorry, I don’t really understand how this relates to the conversation. Was this meant for another thread?
Violence (sure not as much as the other reply, not comparing myself to them) reacted to with calm & figuring-out solutions around it. Again, come-on man, sound like Capitalist, or should I be saying Feudalist politicians denying facts.
There is a lot conditions added to that, of course when conflict is put in your face, you might to use violence. But then again, negotiation is untapped power,
Correction now I think about, remembering another thread about famous & except the fight for USAn Black People Rights were successful non-violent activist leaders, when violence is on them & all around them- Nelson Mandela, MLK Jr., Mr. Gandhi & Malcom X.
Checkmate, bro,
It just not as bad as you say it is, when peaceful activism successfully pushes out the two-strongest militaries of the world, at three-different times, in The 20th Century. There are even more successful & peaceful activist leaders & their campaigns.
I’m not sure we’re focused on the same thing here or I simply don’t understand your point.
Come-on, man, you sounding like a Capitalist person deny facts.
Everyone knows how much those famous Peaceful Activist Leaders, & those that followed their leader working for their rights, were killed & threatened with violence, spied on & jailed-imprisoned all the time. Yet they never used violence, even Mr. Mandela chose be Peaceful.