Well, you clearly don’t have a grasp on what the full meaning of either is. But I am exactly as I stated. You should not presume to know other people especially strangers you’ve never met.
Jewish atheism is the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish.
“Jewish atheism” is not a contradiction because Jewish identity encompasses not only religious components but also, and for most Jews mainly, ethnic and cultural ones. Jewish law’s emphasis on descent through the mother means that even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.
I was talking about religion. It’s impossible to be a religious Jew and an Atheist. Sure, “Jew” means a lot of things such as race and a culture, but this conversation was about religion so mixing it like that is intellectually dishonest, so it’s best to nip it in the bud before people start twisting words with different definitions. Jesus was ethnically a Jew, so were the Disciples and many in the Church to this day are ethnically Jews, so to claim Jews are against Jesus and to start talking about race is a dangerous rabbit-hole.
Yes I see your point. And I was raised completely orthodox so I’m familiar with that aspect of it and how much of a part it plays. But yes I consider myself very much to be a Jew in more than just lineage. But I do take your point.
Regarding Jews regard for Jesus in general the attitude is that if he even existed, he was trying to change things in a way that would corrupt the religion. People have many many theories but most scholars don’t even concede he even existed. There are Jesus-like characters with many of the same traits that are part of religions that predate all abrahamic lore.
Stuff is very complex. Weird though how this discussion moved into this. I like it though. I mean, I was only joking around with my comment but I’m happy to have engaged in this convo. Very nice.
(I presume this isn’t regarding Jewish scholars and just scholars in general) This isn’t true- like at all. Jesus mysticism isn’t a mainstream scholarly opinion, even among secular scholars like Bart Ehrman who wrote in his book Did Jesus exist?
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Despite the enormous range of opinion, there are several points on which virtually all scholars of antiquity agree. Jesus was a Jewish man, known to be a preacher and teacher, who was crucified (a Roman form of execution) in Jerusalem during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was the governor of Judea
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It is fair to say that mythicists as a group, and as individuals, are not taken seriously by the vast majority of scholars in the field of New Testament, early Christianity, ancient history, and theology
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One could argue as well that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the West, looked at from a historical, social, or cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance
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The idea that Jesus did not exist is a modern notion. It has no ancient precedents. It was made up in the eighteenth century. One might as well call it a modern myth, the myth of the mythical Jesus
Who also wrote for the Huffington Post:
Moreover, the claim that Jesus was simply made up falters on every ground. The alleged parallels between Jesus and the “pagan” savior-gods in most instances reside in the modern imagination: We do not have accounts of others who were born to virgin mothers and who died as an atonement for sin and then were raised from the dead (despite what the sensationalists claim ad nauseum in their propagandized versions).
Being a Jewish atheist myself I guess I qualify for two.
No, just Atheist
Well, you clearly don’t have a grasp on what the full meaning of either is. But I am exactly as I stated. You should not presume to know other people especially strangers you’ve never met.
I was talking about religion. It’s impossible to be a religious Jew and an Atheist. Sure, “Jew” means a lot of things such as race and a culture, but this conversation was about religion so mixing it like that is intellectually dishonest, so it’s best to nip it in the bud before people start twisting words with different definitions. Jesus was ethnically a Jew, so were the Disciples and many in the Church to this day are ethnically Jews, so to claim Jews are against Jesus and to start talking about race is a dangerous rabbit-hole.
Yes I see your point. And I was raised completely orthodox so I’m familiar with that aspect of it and how much of a part it plays. But yes I consider myself very much to be a Jew in more than just lineage. But I do take your point.
Regarding Jews regard for Jesus in general the attitude is that if he even existed, he was trying to change things in a way that would corrupt the religion. People have many many theories but most scholars don’t even concede he even existed. There are Jesus-like characters with many of the same traits that are part of religions that predate all abrahamic lore.
Stuff is very complex. Weird though how this discussion moved into this. I like it though. I mean, I was only joking around with my comment but I’m happy to have engaged in this convo. Very nice.
(I presume this isn’t regarding Jewish scholars and just scholars in general) This isn’t true- like at all. Jesus mysticism isn’t a mainstream scholarly opinion, even among secular scholars like Bart Ehrman who wrote in his book Did Jesus exist?
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Who also wrote for the Huffington Post: