Amazon Says It Doesn’t ‘Employ’ Drivers, But Records Show It Hired Firms to Prevent Them From Unionizing::Amazon spent $14.2 million total on anti-union consulting in 2022, filings with the Department of Labor show.

    • @krische
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      1 year ago

      Independent contractors. They’re like employees in almost every way except the legal way.

      • @[email protected]
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        591 year ago

        I’ve had Amazon packages delivered by some dude wearing basketball shorts and a t-shirt driving a random Toyota Corolla. It’s like they use Uber for delivery.

        • @[email protected]
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          211 year ago

          Thats an amazon flex driver , its like a much more strict uber eats , they only hire so many flex drivers , but it works similar to uber , pick your hours , they normaly have a route between 1-3 hours , around 25-100 packages , used to be more , but they lowered it . Amazon has delivery service providers for the main vans , they are “self made companies” . Amazon provides the initial cash to start them , normaly charges them for the vans , and has nearly all controle over them . They live in a legal gray area , most have few enough “employees” to skirt large business laws .

        • @[email protected]
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          181 year ago

          They do. I have a friend that makes some side cash delivering for them in his personal vehicle.

      • @_finger_
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        161 year ago

        Then it should be even easier to unionize

        • @irotsoma
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          311 year ago

          Can’t unionize a workplace when you’re the owner and only employee. That’s how the law treats “independent contractors”.

          • @[email protected]
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            1 year ago

            I kinda don’t like how unions are a regulated legal thing… Why are they not just a a private club, where people collectively agree to not take shit conditions anymore? Why can’t all independent contractors go on strike tomorrow?

            • @[email protected]
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              111 year ago

              I agree. I don’t want to take power from the existing unions, but they should be able to exist in some less official capacity as well. 1st amendment says freedom of association, right?

              • @fluxion
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                81 year ago

                That’s what they are trying to do, and why Amazon is paying multiple firms to fuck with them over it.

              • @LukeMedia
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                31 year ago

                Unions are part of a free labor market, and any attempt to bust them is an attempt to prevent a free economy. Funny how corporations have convinced so many that’s it’s a bad thing

                • @[email protected]
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                  21 year ago

                  Unions should exist, but they should be something that needs voting and shit to create. All it needs is a law that protects worker from being fired for joining a union, nothing more. Then workers can join, or not join, however they like.

              • @irotsoma
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                21 year ago

                Less official means less protection. Which means, you talk about organizing and, “you’re fired”. Just Google some of the history of unions and the reason the NLRB was created in the first place. Without government protection or mafioso strongmen, it’s hard to get companies to give in and keep scabs from taking jobs if you refuse to work.

            • @irotsoma
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              21 year ago

              Because employers have the power. Without the legally protected status as a union you have no legal right to protest the conditions of your job. You have no right to refuse to work under dangerous conditions. And employers are free to retaliate against workers for even talking about unions or talking about reporting the dangerous conditions. How are you going to get people together who are all desperate for money and get them all to agree to go on strike and then get other people to not come in and take the jobs. One way used to be to call them scabs, make everyone else hate them through propaganda campaigns, and hire the Mafia to beat them up until they quit and no one else would take the jobs. It wasn’t until the NLRA that unions were protected.

              But conservatives have turned anti-worker now due to their reliance on corporate donations among other things. And they have spent decades making unions look bad, saying they’re just criminal organizations, and calling them communism. So not enough people are going to feel sorry for the striking worker or hate on the scabs enough to pressure the companies to give in to demands.

            • @irotsoma
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              21 year ago

              Taxi workers are no longer considered independent contractors.

              Independent contractors aren’t covered by the NLRA. So they don’t have the right to have a union and a company is not required to deal with a union and can retaliate against independent contractors for even discussing being in a union.

              Now what is considered to be an independent contractor has varied over time. Generally when conservatives are in office, the definition expands to exclude more people from protection. And more liberal presidents put in more liberal heads of the NLRB that are more likely to shrink the definition.

              There were several factors that led to the taxi workers alliance creation and becoming recognized as a union. One of the biggest ones is that they used the medallion system and other similar laws to their advantage in that if enough of the medallion owners were refusing to work, then they couldn’t just hire new workers. There aren’t exclusivity laws like that in very many other industries, including delivery services, to use to put pressure on employers.

              And it took like 20 years to be recognized as a union when the NLRB declared that taxi workers are employees and not independent contractors in 2015.

      • @Earthwormjim91
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        61 year ago

        Usually not independent contractors. Amazon has contracts with other regional companies to do local deliveries and drivers are employees of these smaller companies.