How I love seeing people talk the big talk about ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom’ but also do their best to remind everyone that “your’e free as long as you agree with them”, else they attack with pitchforks and torches. Lovely. (Yes I’m talking to you).
I normally agree with xkcd, but this is a huge straw man.
It’s not the government oppressing you, but you are being oppressed. It’s not the government restricting your speech, but your speech is being restricted.
People complaining about their speech getting restricted aren’t saying “…by the government” and it’s a cop out to pretend that’s what they’re talking about in the first place. That’s not the conversation when it comes to canceling and deplatforming. That’s not what people are complaining about. When people say “the right to free speech” in this context, they aren’t talking about a specific legal, constitutional doctrine. They’re talking about the social contract. They’re saying, “hey, we generally believe in freedom as a concept, why are other people shushing me for voicing my opinion?”
Note I’m not a “free speech absolutist”, I don’t think we should give everyone a megaphone and tell em to have fun. Sometimes canceling is the appropriate response. There’s a lot of social media assholes out there stirring up shit and they should get muzzled.
But this particular argument is bullshit.
The argument we should be making is this: what you are saying is itself so heinous and dangerous that it is a violation of the social contract. The government is not silencing you, but we will.
And we should also keep in mind that just because the government isn’t silencing someone, that doesn’t mean it’s perfectly fine that we do. Mob mentality is a thing and sometimes we (the mob) can go too far. We should be measured about canceling and deplatforming.
The only form of restriction/censoring of speech that has any bearing whatsoever on this discussion is that which is enacted by the government. Pretending that some other person is somehow “restricting their speech” and “oppressing them socially” (!?) by telling them to shut up or leave is disingenuous at best.
While we’re at it, “canceling” isn’t a thing. It’s a buzzword made up by the right to complain about the fact that they just got shown the door. Aww, boo hoo, did your feelings get hurt when you said your hot take & got told to fuck off? Maybe go reflect on that.
The argument we should be making is this: what you are saying is itself so heinous and dangerous that it is a violation of the social contract. The government is not silencing you, but we will.
Sorry, no. I’m under no obligation to listen to anyone, and I can walk away and/or kick them out of my space for any reason I choose. There’s no theoretical line their speech needs to cross before it’s somehow morally acceptable for me to tell someone to fuck off. I really couldn’t care less if you think I’m an asshole, so long as my conscience is clear.
I will not be “measured” about making a choice I think is the right thing to do, even if you disagree with it.
Literally every opinion I hold is morally right, and I have the right to gather other like minded people and oppress anyone who says otherwise. I am never wrong.
ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM, 2023
[transcribed from lip reading via telescope, as he was too high on his horse for the rest of us to hear]
There is no rage in my comment. I get a lot of rage coming from you’re direction and that’s why I won’t dignify your paragraph of nonsense any lmore than telling you to try to understand what I said. also you are only proving me right but acting this way. You rage at me because you think I might have a different opinion and god forbid if someone thinks differently 😆
The fact that you think I would favor a silly phrase like that is laughable. I still wouldn’t use brave because of the crypto crap, I couldn’t care less about who is woke and who is asleep since I have no problem with the lgbt community and in fact I have friends irl who belong to it. No It is the blatant fascism that I have a problem with. You can choose to use whatever software you want and again I couldn’t care less, but hating someone and sanctioning them and their product because they allegedly donated to something against what you like or think is right, is stupid. If you have the right to choose a certain thing, others must also have the choice to choose the opposite. That is freedom. Expecting ( forcing ) everyone to conform to your world views and standards is literally fascism.
I need you take a step back and realize that you think people not sanctioning a product because they don’t like the moral code of the owners is “stupid”.
You won’t sanction their product over their decision to bind crypto to the browser.
I won’t sanction their product because I find their morals to be lacking.
Neither of us are wrong, but one of use is inflammatory.
How I love seeing people talk the big talk about ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom’ but also do their best to remind everyone that “your’e free as long as you agree with them”, else they attack with pitchforks and torches. Lovely. (Yes I’m talking to you).
https://xkcd.com/1357/
I normally agree with xkcd, but this is a huge straw man.
It’s not the government oppressing you, but you are being oppressed. It’s not the government restricting your speech, but your speech is being restricted.
People complaining about their speech getting restricted aren’t saying “…by the government” and it’s a cop out to pretend that’s what they’re talking about in the first place. That’s not the conversation when it comes to canceling and deplatforming. That’s not what people are complaining about. When people say “the right to free speech” in this context, they aren’t talking about a specific legal, constitutional doctrine. They’re talking about the social contract. They’re saying, “hey, we generally believe in freedom as a concept, why are other people shushing me for voicing my opinion?”
Note I’m not a “free speech absolutist”, I don’t think we should give everyone a megaphone and tell em to have fun. Sometimes canceling is the appropriate response. There’s a lot of social media assholes out there stirring up shit and they should get muzzled.
But this particular argument is bullshit.
The argument we should be making is this: what you are saying is itself so heinous and dangerous that it is a violation of the social contract. The government is not silencing you, but we will.
And we should also keep in mind that just because the government isn’t silencing someone, that doesn’t mean it’s perfectly fine that we do. Mob mentality is a thing and sometimes we (the mob) can go too far. We should be measured about canceling and deplatforming.
I couldn’t disagree more.
The only form of restriction/censoring of speech that has any bearing whatsoever on this discussion is that which is enacted by the government. Pretending that some other person is somehow “restricting their speech” and “oppressing them socially” (!?) by telling them to shut up or leave is disingenuous at best.
While we’re at it, “canceling” isn’t a thing. It’s a buzzword made up by the right to complain about the fact that they just got shown the door. Aww, boo hoo, did your feelings get hurt when you said your hot take & got told to fuck off? Maybe go reflect on that.
Sorry, no. I’m under no obligation to listen to anyone, and I can walk away and/or kick them out of my space for any reason I choose. There’s no theoretical line their speech needs to cross before it’s somehow morally acceptable for me to tell someone to fuck off. I really couldn’t care less if you think I’m an asshole, so long as my conscience is clear.
I will not be “measured” about making a choice I think is the right thing to do, even if you disagree with it.
[transcribed from lip reading via telescope, as he was too high on his horse for the rest of us to hear]
That’s not even close to the position I hold, but you do you.
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There is no rage in my comment. I get a lot of rage coming from you’re direction and that’s why I won’t dignify your paragraph of nonsense any lmore than telling you to try to understand what I said. also you are only proving me right but acting this way. You rage at me because you think I might have a different opinion and god forbid if someone thinks differently 😆
What if I told you that brave browser was woke?
Would you instinctually repeat your favorite phrase; go woke go broke?
The fact that you think I would favor a silly phrase like that is laughable. I still wouldn’t use brave because of the crypto crap, I couldn’t care less about who is woke and who is asleep since I have no problem with the lgbt community and in fact I have friends irl who belong to it. No It is the blatant fascism that I have a problem with. You can choose to use whatever software you want and again I couldn’t care less, but hating someone and sanctioning them and their product because they allegedly donated to something against what you like or think is right, is stupid. If you have the right to choose a certain thing, others must also have the choice to choose the opposite. That is freedom. Expecting ( forcing ) everyone to conform to your world views and standards is literally fascism.
I need you take a step back and realize that you think people not sanctioning a product because they don’t like the moral code of the owners is “stupid”.
You won’t sanction their product over their decision to bind crypto to the browser.
I won’t sanction their product because I find their morals to be lacking.
Neither of us are wrong, but one of use is inflammatory.