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Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.
Also includes outtakes on the ‘reasoning’ models.
Ok, happy to play ball on that.
“Carefully worded questions”; clear communication isn’t cheating. You’d mark a student down for misreading an ambiguous question, not for answering a clear one correctly, right?
Re: worse answers. Tell you what. I’m happy to yeet some unrelated questions at it if you’d like and let’s see what it does. My setup isn’t bog standard - what’ll likely happen is it’ll say “this question isn’t grounded in the facts given, so I’ll answer from my prior knowledge.” I designed my system to either answer it or fail loudly, because I don’t trust raw LLM infra. I’m not a fan(boy), I’m actually pretty hostile to current LLM models…so I cooked my own.
Want to give it a shot? I’ll ground it just to those facts, fair and square. Throw me a question and we’ll see what happens. Deal? I can screenshot it or post it, whatever you prefer.
The context window point is interesting and probably partially true. But working memory interference affects humans too. It’s just what happens to any bounded system under load. Not a gotcha, just a Tuesday AM without a 2nd cup of coffee.
The training data point is actually really interesting, but I think it might be arguing in my favour without meaning to. If you’re acknowledging the model has absorbed the relevant knowledge, the objection becomes about how it was activated, not whether it can reason. But that’s just priming the pump.
You don’t sit an exam without reviewing the material first. Activating relevant knowledge before a task isn’t a workaround for reasoning, it’s a precondition for it.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for scrambled eggs
Cool - that’s the prompt you want me to cross check? No problem. Here you go; once with the physics stuff locked into “scratchpad” #1 and once as a locked document (.md version of the same info) in #2
#1 “scratchpad” specifically does not allow it to answer with outside knowledge - only pasted info. Thus the hard refusal. There’s a reason I set that up like that (see #3 below)
#2 “locked” looks for the answer in source; if not available, only then answers from priors.
#1 No recipe for scrambled eggs is provided in the scratchpad facts. The rules discuss physical containers, capacity, and overflow but do not include culinary instructions or ingredients.
Confidence: low | Source: Scratchpad
#2 [Not found in locked source SUMM_physics.md. Answer based on pre-trained data.]
Here is a simple scrambled egg recipe: Ingredients: - 2-3 large eggs - 1-2 tablespoons milk or cream (optional) - Salt and pepper to taste - Butter or oil for cooking Instructions: 1. Crack eggs into a bowl. Add milk/cream, salt, and pepper. Mix gently. 2. Heat a non-stick pan over medium heat. Add butter or oil. 3. Once butter foams, pour in the egg mixture. 4. Stir continuously with a spatula until eggs are soft and fully cooked—about 1–2 minutes. 5. Remove from heat and serve immediately.
Source: Model (not in locked file)
Confidence: unverified | Source: Model
For context, provenance footers (not vibes, actual computed states):
https://codeberg.org/BobbyLLM/llama-conductor/src/branch/main/FAQ.md#what-do-confidence-and-source-mean
#3 I also have a much more sophisticated demo of this, using adversarial questions, Theory-of-mind, reversals etc. When I use >>scratch, I want no LLM vibes or pre-trained data fudging it. Just pure reasoning. If the answer cannot be deduced from context (solely), output is fail loud and auditable.
https://codeberg.org/BobbyLLM/llama-conductor/src/branch/main/FAQ.md#deep-example
All this shit could be done by the big players. They choose not to. Current infra is optimized for keeping people chatting, sounding smooth etc…not leveraging the tool to do what it ACTUAL can do.
IOW, if most LLMs are set up for the equivalent of typing BOOBS on a calculator (the big players are happy to keep it that way; more engagement, smoother vibes etc) this is what happens when you use it to do actual maths.
PS: If that was you trying to see if I am bot; no. I have ASD. Irrespective, seem a touch “bad faith” on your end, if that was the goal, after claiming you were open to reasoned debate. Curious.
Yeah your response sounded like it was generated by an LLM, so I had to check. If you think that’s bad faith on my part, idk what to tell you
I see what the issue is. Basic reasoning and logic seem artificial to you.Telling.
Of course it’s bad faith. But not being able to distinguish an LLM from a human in a reasoning debate? That rather undermines the entire " LLMs are just spicy auto complete" point.
You’re not gonna convince me, and I’m not gonna convince you. I’m done with this conversation before you devolve further into personal attacks.