Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.



You created a second “No” option for choosing whether or not to vote just to be right.
Not voting is not voting is not voting. If you want to add in other qualifiers to whether or not someone votes so you can be right okay.
It does but I’ll address this as we go on.
Again, it does but I’ll address this as we go on.
Not voting. Option one.
Voting. Option two.
Yes, there are two options,: vote or do not vote. Glad we cleared that up, again.
No idea if there are studies to support this but I would bet my bottom teeth that something close to a majority of those who did vote for Harris were not supporting genocide or even the DNC. We, they, were voting against Trump 2.0 and Project 2025. The fact that some voters decided to cut off their nose to spite their face and not vote at all because, again, Harris wouldn’t say the words to make them happy? Yeah, I am going to assign blame to them for where we are now.
Can’t tell what exactly you are talking about here. Third party candidates? Or just insulting me because I don’t agree with your apologism.
Good idea! Got a few billion dollars I can borrow?
If America survives the remainder of Trump’s term hopefully those who didn’t vote and helped Trump get back in the White House and realize how stupid they were then the shame, badgering etc will have been worth it.
The failed campaign that is on Harris and the DNC. Trump winning the election I already gave my breakdown.
Gonna try to address this one claim at a time. First and most consistently you make the claim that:
This is an easy one to dismiss, because, just… its obviously not. Like its not even point worth engaging with beyond the performative aspect of making you look like an idiot. If its a binary, how did Kennedy get any votes in the general? Or De la Cruz. Or Stein. If voting is a binary and there is no secret third option, then how did the vote totals change between 2020, 2024? How is it the Democratic vote total went down from 2020 to 2024 if there isn’t some “other choice” voters have between Republicans or Democrats?
A voter has many options when it comes to voting. You can approve of or disapprove of the options, but pretending that voters only have two options is just… not true.
EG, you don’t understand how elections work. You already demonstrate that with your insistence that voting is a binary. You’ve drunk decades of propaganda which shifts the responsibility for electoral outcomes from candidates and campaigns, and shifts that blame to voters. A corollary is how petroleum used the exact same approach to convince people that they individually were responsible for the outcomes of climate change, specifically around recycling. You’re engaging in the same bait and switch that petroleum company used to shed responsibility for climate change.
Yes. 1.5 billion. That’s how much in donations the Harris campaign got.
Here lets run the experiment
It’s August 2024, the night before the convention, and I’m appointing you Kamala Harris’s campaign manager. You are just coming off the big bump in polling you got from naming Tim Walz your vp. So far, your polling has been meteoric. You managed to got from the low forties high thirties to high forties in weeks.
You’ve got 1.5 billion dollars to spend, and a week of captured media going into the convention. You have three months.
The experiment (0, 1) is conducted by you answering the following questions follows:
0 You are not allowed to change the candidates policy positions. Explain how you would use 1.5 billion dollars and 3 months to win an election.
1 You are allowed to change the candidates policy positions. Explain how you would use 1.5 billion dollars and 3 months to win an election.
If there is no credible approach where you can accomplish a Democratic victory, the you have to cede that the only way Democrats could have won the election without Harris changing their policy on Gaza.
And it would have cost 0 dollars for Harris to change her position on Gaza. The only people to blame for Trump being in office are Harris and the Harris campaign. They were the only ones in a position to convert an L to a W. No other individuals held that power.
Are you advocating third party voting? Is that what you’ve been dancing around?
They are advocating that genocide support not exist within the democratic party. And if it is allowed to by people like yourself, then the democratic party shouldnt exist.
And what you’re doing is attemtping to hold voters hostage to allow for genocide to exist within the party. You want to say if a dem candidate is 1% better than Donald Trump, then we all must raklly behind the genocide Dem. Reality itself has shown you your argument is false and an openly corrupt dem cant get Dems-- especially young ones off the couch to win, and cant get republican votes, but you refuse to acknowledge this because you like genocide for some reason. Thats the reality here-- you are a racist or religious fanatic.
You spend hours explaining something to someone. And then they come back with the reading comprehension and ability to understand of a clay pot.
Just go re-read the thread dude. And if thats too much, go to a library and ask for the book “One fish, Two fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish”.