The distinction between apes and monkeys is complicated by the traditional paraphyly of monkeys: Apes emerged as a sister group of Old World Monkeys in the catarrhines, which are a sister group of New World Monkeys. Therefore, cladistically, apes, catarrhines and related contemporary extinct groups such as Parapithecidae are monkeys as well, for any consistent definition of “monkey”. “Old World monkey” may also legitimately be taken to be meant to include all the catarrhines, including apes and extinct species such as Aegyptopithecus,[12][13][14][15] in which case the apes, Cercopithecoidea and Aegyptopithecus emerged within the Old World monkeys.
Perhaps, but that page you linked seems pretty clear that apes are related closer to old world monkeys than new world moneys, but are still not monkeys?
I don’t really intend to argue semantics, but before my original reply to you I akimmed a good dozen links incluthat Wikipedia page and they all say apes and monkeys are related but different.
The distinction between apes and monkeys is complicated by the traditional paraphyly of monkeys: Apes emerged as a sister group of Old World Monkeys in the catarrhines, which are a sister group of New World Monkeys. Therefore, cladistically, apes, catarrhines and related contemporary extinct groups such as Parapithecidae are monkeys as well, for any consistent definition of “monkey”. “Old World monkey” may also legitimately be taken to be meant to include all the catarrhines, including apes and extinct species such as Aegyptopithecus,[12][13][14][15] in which case the apes, Cercopithecoidea and Aegyptopithecus emerged within the Old World monkeys.
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
Perhaps, but that page you linked seems pretty clear that apes are related closer to old world monkeys than new world moneys, but are still not monkeys?
I don’t really intend to argue semantics, but before my original reply to you I akimmed a good dozen links incluthat Wikipedia page and they all say apes and monkeys are related but different.
I literally quoted the part that says apes are monkeys by any definition of the word.
Oh shit sorry, it wasn’t clear to me that it was a quote! It sounds like if you look too close then it’s complicated!