I am not saying capitalism is flawless. It gets ugly quite often. But how do you know it’s good under socialism? Have you lived in socialist society or know any examples where it thrives. Socialism idea being romanticised a lot these days. Sadly reality proves it’s an utopian model.
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful question, sorry to see people downvoting you.
Socialism is a broad tent - all it functionally means is that instead of the ruling class owning all of the factories, businesses, hotels, etc. where people work, the actual people who do the work own and control their workplace. Instead of having a single boss at work who owns the place, you’d have a stake of ownership yourself, and equal say over your workplace.
So there are obviously lots of different approaches we can take to achieve that, and I agree we need to learn from history and avoid the mistakes of the past.
Capitalism inevitably results in fascism, so it’s a choice either between a utopian ideal that can be difficult to achieve, or a capitalist death cult which is guaranteed to consume as much as it can before it collapses.
Socialism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people work something else / everyone works less.
Capitalism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people starve.
In a socialist setting, the advent of better and better robots and drones would be a boon for society. Menial and transport jobs can be done by machines, while humans shift their work elsewhere and/or simply work less.
In a capitalist setting, that’s not the case. Robots take over human work, not to free up those humans to do something else, but to raise profits for the owner of those robots. This leads to less and less jobs for people and since your worth and right to live is tied to your job in capitalism, this doesn’t bode well for society.
Large scale automation would be great in a system, that tries to facilitate the best possible living conditions for its citizens with the least amount of work.
Capitalism sadly isn’t interested in making the citizens work as little as possible. It’s interested in generating profit for the people at the top.
I am not saying capitalism is flawless. It gets ugly quite often. But how do you know it’s good under socialism? Have you lived in socialist society or know any examples where it thrives. Socialism idea being romanticised a lot these days. Sadly reality proves it’s an utopian model.
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful question, sorry to see people downvoting you.
Socialism is a broad tent - all it functionally means is that instead of the ruling class owning all of the factories, businesses, hotels, etc. where people work, the actual people who do the work own and control their workplace. Instead of having a single boss at work who owns the place, you’d have a stake of ownership yourself, and equal say over your workplace.
So there are obviously lots of different approaches we can take to achieve that, and I agree we need to learn from history and avoid the mistakes of the past.
Capitalism inevitably results in fascism, so it’s a choice either between a utopian ideal that can be difficult to achieve, or a capitalist death cult which is guaranteed to consume as much as it can before it collapses.
Socialism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people work something else / everyone works less.
Capitalism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people starve.
In a socialist setting, the advent of better and better robots and drones would be a boon for society. Menial and transport jobs can be done by machines, while humans shift their work elsewhere and/or simply work less.
In a capitalist setting, that’s not the case. Robots take over human work, not to free up those humans to do something else, but to raise profits for the owner of those robots. This leads to less and less jobs for people and since your worth and right to live is tied to your job in capitalism, this doesn’t bode well for society.
Large scale automation would be great in a system, that tries to facilitate the best possible living conditions for its citizens with the least amount of work.
Capitalism sadly isn’t interested in making the citizens work as little as possible. It’s interested in generating profit for the people at the top.