personally I find sending unlimited weapons to a genocide to be needlessly divisive.
And therefore we should ignore voting even more? The ml position here reads like abstinence; which is effectively to give up.
feel free to continue trying to tone police my ‘bad attitude’ (criticizing democrats)
Talk about a strawman. Like I said earlier. It would be ideal for us to have our own party. It would be great if mls like you would join us in support of it. Until then the progressive wing of US politics lives in the dem party and it would be helpful to our movement to help it grow as much as it can.
And since you care so much about strawmanning; don’t forget I did say voting is only one thing we should do. Not the only thing ;)
And therefore we should ignore voting even more? The ml position here reads like abstinence; which is effectively to give up.
Hey, I’m an anarchist, at least pretend you’re reading anything I’m saying. I vote plenty, you can’t seem to register that though because you’re stuck fighting ghosts.
It would be great if mls like you would join us in support of it. Until then the progressive wing of US politics lives in the dem party and it would be helpful to our movement to help it grow as much as it can.
“We should have our own party BUT actually let’s just be dem progressives forever”
Also I’m an anarchist, once more you seem incapable of processing anything I say.
And since you care so much about strawmanning; don’t forget I did say voting is only one thing we should do. Not the only thing ;)
You spend an entire thread accusing me of not voting and undermining leftism by criticizing dems and are now pretending that voting isn’t all you are advocating for? Talking out both sides of your mouth
Hey, I’m an anarchist, at least pretend you’re reading anything I’m saying. I vote plenty, you can’t seem to register that though because you’re stuck fighting ghosts.
And I am still asking you to make common cause with us to vote for short term goals. Do you want to quote were I said you should not want to ultimatly destroy the government?
“We should have our own party BUT actually let’s just be dem progressives forever”
Given how much push back I am getting from a fellow lefty like yourself to vote left we are going to be stuck as progressive dem for some time. Thanks for your contribution here.
now pretending that voting isn’t all you are advocating for?
I’ll refer you to my opening comment Ms. Strawman.
Given how much push back I am getting from a fellow lefty like yourself to vote left we are going to be stuck as progressive dem for some time.
Is your position that the reason we don’t have a workers party because people like me (marginalized trans anarchists) criticize the democrats online?
I vote plenty, democrats have won my state in presidential elections for my entire voting lifetime. You’re the one saying ‘someday we’ll have our own party’ as cover for demanding democratic party loyalty right now. You’re not building anything, you’re just defending existing power structures and blaming critics.
That is great, and it would be helpful to us both if you also didn’t have an infectious attitude about elections that discourages others to show up. Its fine if you do not want to run or help in a campaign, but it would be helpful if you spoke to and helped fellow lefties show up to primaries and vote as left as possible.
If you still really hate it show up and spoil your ballot at a minimum. Elections are still a show of numbers and credibility. A revolutionary group that cannot commit to such a low stakes action is not credible for higher level organization and resistance.
I wasn’t aware I was infectious, you’re making me sound like I’m an influencer or like operating the yuri mind control machine. I’m just a girl on the internet.
Your position still sounds like you’re tone policing criticism of the genocidal warmongers who got us into this mess.
Everyone is to some degree. Leadership by example is powerful and the actions are you communicating is that you are not going to get everything so you are not going to even try. It creates a nagative feedback loop. Diva won’t vote as there is no leftist party. There is no leftist party because Diva won’t show for it. At scale this means we as a group are missing out on more organization and influence.
To be fair to you the communication is leadership by example is often unintentional. You may not have the intention to create this feedback loop or other influences, but that does not mean you are not doing so. This is true for everyone.
For someone who deeply cares about ending genocide you put too much effort into talking about why you won’t take a small action that could help. Would you roll a dice to stop it if the probability was 1:100 of stopping it? Note that not rolling also means a continue. Your attitude is that you would rather just let it continue. I suppose it is easy to have a purity test when you are not cold and hungry in a siege. In that sense you are not checking your privilege with your lack of urgency. And this is only one topic on the ballot.
And therefore we should ignore voting even more? The ml position here reads like abstinence; which is effectively to give up.
Talk about a strawman. Like I said earlier. It would be ideal for us to have our own party. It would be great if mls like you would join us in support of it. Until then the progressive wing of US politics lives in the dem party and it would be helpful to our movement to help it grow as much as it can.
And since you care so much about strawmanning; don’t forget I did say voting is only one thing we should do. Not the only thing ;)
Hey, I’m an anarchist, at least pretend you’re reading anything I’m saying. I vote plenty, you can’t seem to register that though because you’re stuck fighting ghosts.
“We should have our own party BUT actually let’s just be dem progressives forever”
Also I’m an anarchist, once more you seem incapable of processing anything I say.
You spend an entire thread accusing me of not voting and undermining leftism by criticizing dems and are now pretending that voting isn’t all you are advocating for? Talking out both sides of your mouth
And I am still asking you to make common cause with us to vote for short term goals. Do you want to quote were I said you should not want to ultimatly destroy the government?
Given how much push back I am getting from a fellow lefty like yourself to vote left we are going to be stuck as progressive dem for some time. Thanks for your contribution here.
I’ll refer you to my opening comment Ms. Strawman.
Is your position that the reason we don’t have a workers party because people like me (marginalized trans anarchists) criticize the democrats online?
I vote plenty, democrats have won my state in presidential elections for my entire voting lifetime. You’re the one saying ‘someday we’ll have our own party’ as cover for demanding democratic party loyalty right now. You’re not building anything, you’re just defending existing power structures and blaming critics.
That is great, and it would be helpful to us both if you also didn’t have an infectious attitude about elections that discourages others to show up. Its fine if you do not want to run or help in a campaign, but it would be helpful if you spoke to and helped fellow lefties show up to primaries and vote as left as possible.
If you still really hate it show up and spoil your ballot at a minimum. Elections are still a show of numbers and credibility. A revolutionary group that cannot commit to such a low stakes action is not credible for higher level organization and resistance.
I wasn’t aware I was infectious, you’re making me sound like I’m an influencer or like operating the yuri mind control machine. I’m just a girl on the internet.
Your position still sounds like you’re tone policing criticism of the genocidal warmongers who got us into this mess.
Everyone is to some degree. Leadership by example is powerful and the actions are you communicating is that you are not going to get everything so you are not going to even try. It creates a nagative feedback loop. Diva won’t vote as there is no leftist party. There is no leftist party because Diva won’t show for it. At scale this means we as a group are missing out on more organization and influence.
To be fair to you the communication is leadership by example is often unintentional. You may not have the intention to create this feedback loop or other influences, but that does not mean you are not doing so. This is true for everyone.
For someone who deeply cares about ending genocide you put too much effort into talking about why you won’t take a small action that could help. Would you roll a dice to stop it if the probability was 1:100 of stopping it? Note that not rolling also means a continue. Your attitude is that you would rather just let it continue. I suppose it is easy to have a purity test when you are not cold and hungry in a siege. In that sense you are not checking your privilege with your lack of urgency. And this is only one topic on the ballot.
are you incapable of registering that I do vote? How do you keep failing to read that across at this point a half dozen posts.
You are not actually engaging with anything I’m saying and just rattling off bullshit. pretty normal behavior from you lot, sadly.