Good question; Starmer, the UK PM and a lib , is sort of pro Europe, as is now the majority of the UK. He’s not persé full package EU , but he wants to partake in an important part of the trade & defense bit of Europe using the European Internal Market.
This bit is what the UK EU summit in the summer is probably about and we’ll see how negotiations will go from there.
What’s interesting here, is that PM Starmer might evade a " Nay-" vote for closer EU cooperation via a special law trick in UKs Parliament by the Brexit parties & Conservatives .
a little distracted atm by what my own government is doing…
I was always in favor of the EU, finding the whole idea fascinating. Its seemed, in a way, a more modern attempt to form something similar to the US, but having learned a lot from what we did wrong, but also trying to unite a bunch of sovereign nations, some of which have existed for millennia, rather than just few years or decades like our colonies/states (although New York was 124 when it became a state! NYC is 402 years old!). Which seems to have worked very, very well, for the most part.
And, as disappointing as Brexit was, I wasn’t really surprised at the time given the clown you had in office. But, of course, we had to do it bigger and better, and now we have Trump who might get us kicked out of NATO somehow, the cunt.
But I think we’ll definitely see a smaller role for USA. Someone called it Nato minus.
I hate that so much. In the post World War II era, our country created an excellent legacy for diplomacy and world peace. It’s slowly been chipped away a lot, but of what was left, he just slapped away. A lot during his first term and so much in the last year, especially in the last few weeks. Nothing and no one has done more damage to our country and its reputation than this man, and never so quickly. Frankly, it’s shocking and what’s more shocking, is that the politicians in office have just let it happen.
I’m old enough that I used to be proud to be an American. But now, how could I be?
I hate that so much. In the post World War II era, our country created an excellent legacy for diplomacy and world peace.
Yes that was quite a nice system in place That’s why so many people are rightfully angry now it’s beeing destroyed. In retrospect, it’s been going on for decades, and now we all( have to) see it’s culminating effect.
To me, there’s actually much more going on and these politics are part of a broader geopolitical movement towards more authoritarian regimes & power to oligarchs. That’s very worrisome.
oh, you’re definitely right about all of that. thing is, and what I find most upsetting, is that it’s been at a slow boil over the last few decades, and now it’s all suddenly blowing up much, much faster. and, honestly, it’s also a bit of a well-deserved slap in the face. A wake-up call to a population that’s become far too complacent, arrogantly thinking that we just deserve all of this and forgot that we have to keep vigilant to keep it all from slipping away or being stolen from us-- as much of it now clearly has been. And now we have to fight to get it all back.
And it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but it’s been bad before. We got through it, and we’ll get through this. But, will we learn our lessons? Will; things get better? Or we forget and fuck it all up again in 5 or 10 years?
Oh I get that this game has been going on for 1000 of years, and the same games are noticeable within half a lifetime or ealier if you wanna be honest.
and we’ll get through this
For sure, after paying the price.
But, will we learn our lessons?
Then again, it’s was never about who’s going to learn their lesson, as much as what you ( or I) will do about it this time around. And each one person should act in their own way. I think that’s the real question, and answering that, is very tiresome.
I think you and I are very much saying the same thing, but from different perspectives, which… makes sense given our respective positions across the pond ;)
Good question; Starmer, the UK PM and a lib , is sort of pro Europe, as is now the majority of the UK. He’s not persé full package EU , but he wants to partake in an important part of the trade & defense bit of Europe using the European Internal Market.
This bit is what the UK EU summit in the summer is probably about and we’ll see how negotiations will go from there.
What’s interesting here, is that PM Starmer might evade a " Nay-" vote for closer EU cooperation via a special law trick in UKs Parliament by the Brexit parties & Conservatives .
Yips, unfortunately so is the whole world.
I was always in favor of the EU, finding the whole idea fascinating. Its seemed, in a way, a more modern attempt to form something similar to the US, but having learned a lot from what we did wrong, but also trying to unite a bunch of sovereign nations, some of which have existed for millennia, rather than just few years or decades like our colonies/states (although New York was 124 when it became a state! NYC is 402 years old!). Which seems to have worked very, very well, for the most part.
And, as disappointing as Brexit was, I wasn’t really surprised at the time given the clown you had in office. But, of course, we had to do it bigger and better, and now we have Trump who might get us kicked out of NATO somehow, the cunt.
Agreed, the European Project as some like to call it, is weirdly fascinating and to be part of history-in-the-making gives it extra dimension.
Don’t think the Reps will let him and his cult do that. But I think we’ll definitely see a smaller role for USA. Someone called it Nato minus.
I hate that so much. In the post World War II era, our country created an excellent legacy for diplomacy and world peace. It’s slowly been chipped away a lot, but of what was left, he just slapped away. A lot during his first term and so much in the last year, especially in the last few weeks. Nothing and no one has done more damage to our country and its reputation than this man, and never so quickly. Frankly, it’s shocking and what’s more shocking, is that the politicians in office have just let it happen.
I’m old enough that I used to be proud to be an American. But now, how could I be?
Yes that was quite a nice system in place That’s why so many people are rightfully angry now it’s beeing destroyed. In retrospect, it’s been going on for decades, and now we all( have to) see it’s culminating effect.
To me, there’s actually much more going on and these politics are part of a broader geopolitical movement towards more authoritarian regimes & power to oligarchs. That’s very worrisome.
oh, you’re definitely right about all of that. thing is, and what I find most upsetting, is that it’s been at a slow boil over the last few decades, and now it’s all suddenly blowing up much, much faster. and, honestly, it’s also a bit of a well-deserved slap in the face. A wake-up call to a population that’s become far too complacent, arrogantly thinking that we just deserve all of this and forgot that we have to keep vigilant to keep it all from slipping away or being stolen from us-- as much of it now clearly has been. And now we have to fight to get it all back.
And it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but it’s been bad before. We got through it, and we’ll get through this. But, will we learn our lessons? Will; things get better? Or we forget and fuck it all up again in 5 or 10 years?
I’m getting really tired of this
Oh I get that this game has been going on for 1000 of years, and the same games are noticeable within half a lifetime or ealier if you wanna be honest.
For sure, after paying the price.
Then again, it’s was never about who’s going to learn their lesson, as much as what you ( or I) will do about it this time around. And each one person should act in their own way. I think that’s the real question, and answering that, is very tiresome.
I think you and I are very much saying the same thing, but from different perspectives, which… makes sense given our respective positions across the pond ;)
We are. Great minds think alike don’t they? haha.# add Nice 2meetu.