Yeah also don’t understand that any system involving humans is never going to be perfect because people will find a way to screw it up. That doesn’t mean you give up on improving it of course, more the opposite. Every system will constantly require effort to improve or it will degrade over time.
There is no such thing as a perfect system, but that means there will always be ways to improve the existing system, no matter what the existing system is. The “tear it down and start over” mentality makes people useless in efforts to actually make things better. Perfect is the enemy of good.
Not just that but there is no “THE system” it’s more of a stew made out of dozens of systems working around and with each other. You can’t just throw out the stew and start over because it’s already got all of us and everything in it. I don’t want to go too far with that metaphor but you get the idea.
Speaking of stew… the SYSTEM is involved with distribution of food. I don’t have land to farm, so if we’re going to destroy the system, I’m gonna need the new system that replaces it to be functioning and somehow distributing food to me in about a week.
Historically there have been many times revolutions that have resulted in famines. And most revolutions end up with basically the same kind of system as before, just with different people in power, once they’ve run their course.
Don’t get me wrong: I think nothing is more healthy for a society than a rebelling youth and all the “trouble” that comes with it. We’ve all been there.
But in times were edgy elders vote for Trump and carry no vision, morale or understanding besides mere platitudes like “tearing down everything”, “draining the swamp”, “building a wall” etc., all those calls for radical destruction without offering an alternative annoy the shit out of me.
In the past, angsty youth might have complained, but their living standards were still better than previous generations.
What’s different now, is most youth are actually experiencing multiple issues that are new, and caused by policy choices from older generations in government.
And yet, these youth still experience a higher standard of living than any generation before them.
I never experienced another system and have come to the gradual realisation that the current system is inherently exploitative, values some people above others, and leaves very little hope for a future as it continues to render the planet’s surface less habitable by the year. My solution: let’s tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.
My solution: let’s tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.
“…without having any clue about what comes next, blindly hoping that it will rule out injustice and inherent exploitation although there is no precedence or vision by anyone.”
This is not a fix. It’s calling to kill the complete herd for a few sick animals while others take enormous efforts to find a cure.
Without really wanting to take a side here, you could explain why his metaphor doesn’t fit your real opinion instead of just saying it was a strawman, if you’d like.
I quoted the very part. Are you trolling? You can’t have missed my quote.
when I corrected an obvious strawman
You didn’t fix anything. You just explained the meme keeping it’s original ignorance.
my correction was strawmanned.
Read up what a Strawman is. I didn’t change the original argument - since there was none.
Best you could say is that I used a hyperbole so you understand how people who actually care about politics perceive your helpless destructive whining.
I never said anything about not knowing what to do next. Syndicalism, for example, offers an appealing alternative to the capitalist system. If my tone comes across as flippant, it’s because there’s a bunch of dumbfuck liberals in this thread who are so steeped in their capitalist realism that they just assume that anybody who isn’t one of them is coming from a place of childish naïvete.
The original meme’s ignorance? What ignorance? You haven’t established how it’s ignorant. It claims that the system is intentionally structured to create the outcomes it does, and that that’s bad. That seems like an accurate assessment to me.
I know what a strawman is, you condescending arsehole. It’s a wilful misinterpretation of somebody’s point that misconstrues it such that it’s easier to dismantle. For instance, if I say that capitalism is inherently bad and should be dismantled, and then someone comes along and pretends like I said that it should be supplanted by something even worse, that’s a wilful misrepresentation of my position, is it not?
I must have missed something. I just read a suggestion to destroy everything in a mediocre anime meme.
This sounds like trying to burn down the school when you got a bad grade but when you’re caught and called to the principal’s office, you claim to be the victim of a coldhearted and overgeneralizing grade system.
“I’m such a douchebag entitled narcissist so I’m going to plug my ears and go ‘na na na this is fine’ as the system destroys EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING FACET of society and whatever future these ‘teenagers’ may have. BUT IT’S THE TEENAGERS THAT ARE TO BLAME, RIGHT?”
Get off your fucking high horse. Jesus fucking christ dude.
“I never experienced another system and suddenly realize that the current system isn’t perfect. My solution: let’s tear everything down”
– every teenager who just started to understand the world
Yeah also don’t understand that any system involving humans is never going to be perfect because people will find a way to screw it up. That doesn’t mean you give up on improving it of course, more the opposite. Every system will constantly require effort to improve or it will degrade over time.
There is no such thing as a perfect system, but that means there will always be ways to improve the existing system, no matter what the existing system is. The “tear it down and start over” mentality makes people useless in efforts to actually make things better. Perfect is the enemy of good.
Not just that but there is no “THE system” it’s more of a stew made out of dozens of systems working around and with each other. You can’t just throw out the stew and start over because it’s already got all of us and everything in it. I don’t want to go too far with that metaphor but you get the idea.
Yeah you think as I do.
Speaking of stew… the SYSTEM is involved with distribution of food. I don’t have land to farm, so if we’re going to destroy the system, I’m gonna need the new system that replaces it to be functioning and somehow distributing food to me in about a week.
Historically there have been many times revolutions that have resulted in famines. And most revolutions end up with basically the same kind of system as before, just with different people in power, once they’ve run their course.
Somebody should go back in time and explain to George Washington that he can’t just throw out the stew
“The boy was sanctimonious as only youth can be when descrying the faults of their elders.”
I read that once and always loved that quote.
Don’t get me wrong: I think nothing is more healthy for a society than a rebelling youth and all the “trouble” that comes with it. We’ve all been there.
But in times were edgy elders vote for Trump and carry no vision, morale or understanding besides mere platitudes like “tearing down everything”, “draining the swamp”, “building a wall” etc., all those calls for radical destruction without offering an alternative annoy the shit out of me.
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And yet, these youth still experience a higher standard of living than any generation before them.
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Nah
I never experienced another system and have come to the gradual realisation that the current system is inherently exploitative, values some people above others, and leaves very little hope for a future as it continues to render the planet’s surface less habitable by the year. My solution: let’s tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.
FTFY.
“…without having any clue about what comes next, blindly hoping that it will rule out injustice and inherent exploitation although there is no precedence or vision by anyone.”
This is not a fix. It’s calling to kill the complete herd for a few sick animals while others take enormous efforts to find a cure.
Where did I say that? I think it’s really funny how when I corrected an obvious strawman, my correction was strawmanned.
Without really wanting to take a side here, you could explain why his metaphor doesn’t fit your real opinion instead of just saying it was a strawman, if you’d like.
I quoted the very part. Are you trolling? You can’t have missed my quote.
You didn’t fix anything. You just explained the meme keeping it’s original ignorance.
Read up what a Strawman is. I didn’t change the original argument - since there was none.
Best you could say is that I used a hyperbole so you understand how people who actually care about politics perceive your helpless destructive whining.
I never said anything about not knowing what to do next. Syndicalism, for example, offers an appealing alternative to the capitalist system. If my tone comes across as flippant, it’s because there’s a bunch of dumbfuck liberals in this thread who are so steeped in their capitalist realism that they just assume that anybody who isn’t one of them is coming from a place of childish naïvete.
The original meme’s ignorance? What ignorance? You haven’t established how it’s ignorant. It claims that the system is intentionally structured to create the outcomes it does, and that that’s bad. That seems like an accurate assessment to me.
I know what a strawman is, you condescending arsehole. It’s a wilful misinterpretation of somebody’s point that misconstrues it such that it’s easier to dismantle. For instance, if I say that capitalism is inherently bad and should be dismantled, and then someone comes along and pretends like I said that it should be supplanted by something even worse, that’s a wilful misrepresentation of my position, is it not?
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??? Germany is not another system, it’s just capitalism with some touches of socialism
And they got plenty of their own problems too, it’s nice and I love germany but don’t go around pretending it’s heaven on earth.
I must have missed something. I just read a suggestion to destroy everything in a mediocre anime meme.
This sounds like trying to burn down the school when you got a bad grade but when you’re caught and called to the principal’s office, you claim to be the victim of a coldhearted and overgeneralizing grade system.
Also, no one even mentioned the US.
“I’m such a douchebag entitled narcissist so I’m going to plug my ears and go ‘na na na this is fine’ as the system destroys EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING FACET of society and whatever future these ‘teenagers’ may have. BUT IT’S THE TEENAGERS THAT ARE TO BLAME, RIGHT?”
Get off your fucking high horse. Jesus fucking christ dude.
You know, the post that you’re responding to could just be highlighting a parallel rather than being a criticism of the OP.
that’s not what I wrote and you suggesting it tells a lot about how you look at the world and people around you.
Keep on memeing, dude. You’ll surely make the world a better place…
Gonna cry?
I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye
Ooohhhhh… edgy!