You’re right that they’re not exactly the same, but they are intrinsically linked. Racism is an advanced form where, instead of just and us-vs-them mentality is used to protect against invaders, it is weaponized as tool to use lower echelons on the class hierarchy against themselves to empower the upper class and keep the masses from realizing how shit they have it.
Tribalism is the root instinct that drives it, its just been modified for use in class warfare.
They are linked, but they’re talking about how modern race ideas are evidenced in racism. It used to be that Irish people weren’t considered white even though they largely have pale skin. Today that’s a very weird idea because of course Irish people are white. But that wasn’t the case when the US was getting a mass of immigrants. Yes, people were bigots hundreds of years ago. Yes, racism and tribalism are linked, but the sheer concept of being white, black, red, yellow, etc didn’t exist until relatively recently.
This is a lie white people use to justify their systems and make themselves feel better.
Racism, as we understand it, is a historical system that was, in fact, invented soley by white male Europeans and their descendants for the purposes of managing their empire.
Tribalism isn’t racism. Racism uses tribalist tendencies to achieve its aims. Racism is a very specific historical phenomenon.
Why is looking at the root cause of something a “justification” in your mind? If all we do is react to what’s happening now instead of finding out how to prevent it from happening in the future, we’re just fighting a losing war of attrition for the sake of ideology. In order to solve this problem we need to look at more than just the surface, and do more than just point fingers at everyone else.
Why is looking at the root cause of something a “justification” in your mind?
Have you ever heard of a leading question? This is an example of one, because you assume tribalism to be the root cause of racism. What evidence do you have to support this argument? Why does tribalism exist for tens or hundreds of millennia but racism only get constructed as capitalism is in the process of emerging from feudalism? Doesn’t sound at all like tribalism is the root cause of racism.
If all we do is react to what’s happening now instead of finding out how to prevent it from happening in the future, we’re just fighting a losing war of attrition for the sake of ideology
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Don’t react to people “being racist” as though it’s just individual behaviors. See it as a historical process. When you see it as a historical process, you see that racism is THE national pattern of the USA, because the USA emerged in the same context that racism was being constructed in. It’s accurate to say that the USA and racism are deeply related because racism was being invented as part of the colonial project and the USA emerged from the colonial project and because racism was being invented as part of the capitalist project and the USA emerged and extended and ultimately maximized the capitalist project.
In order to solve this problem we need to look at more than just the surface, and do more than just point fingers at everyone else.
Do you think that seeing racism as a system that was constructed by Europeans as they entered the 1400s and through to the present day is looking at just the surface or pointing fingers at everyone else? Really? That’s your assessment of that position? Well, blow me down, I don’t really know what to say to that.
It seems to me that saying “racism is just tribalism and everyone engaged in tribalism” is quite literally a surface level analysis that quite literally points the fingers at everyone else. Your assessment is pretty on the nose for exactly the position you hold. But I’ve come to expect projection from white liberals at this point. You seem incapable of seeing the irony of accusing me of the very thing you are doing.
Racism also wasn’t invented solely by “white” people. That kind of myopic thinking is a big factor in why we can’t get over that shit.
Tribalism has been a way of life since life began on this rock.
Racism and tribalism are not the same thing at all.
You’re right that they’re not exactly the same, but they are intrinsically linked. Racism is an advanced form where, instead of just and us-vs-them mentality is used to protect against invaders, it is weaponized as tool to use lower echelons on the class hierarchy against themselves to empower the upper class and keep the masses from realizing how shit they have it.
Tribalism is the root instinct that drives it, its just been modified for use in class warfare.
They are linked, but they’re talking about how modern race ideas are evidenced in racism. It used to be that Irish people weren’t considered white even though they largely have pale skin. Today that’s a very weird idea because of course Irish people are white. But that wasn’t the case when the US was getting a mass of immigrants. Yes, people were bigots hundreds of years ago. Yes, racism and tribalism are linked, but the sheer concept of being white, black, red, yellow, etc didn’t exist until relatively recently.
This is a lie white people use to justify their systems and make themselves feel better.
Racism, as we understand it, is a historical system that was, in fact, invented soley by white male Europeans and their descendants for the purposes of managing their empire.
Tribalism isn’t racism. Racism uses tribalist tendencies to achieve its aims. Racism is a very specific historical phenomenon.
“Oh no, that’s just sparkling tribalism. REAL racism comes from the Champagne region…”
Why is looking at the root cause of something a “justification” in your mind? If all we do is react to what’s happening now instead of finding out how to prevent it from happening in the future, we’re just fighting a losing war of attrition for the sake of ideology. In order to solve this problem we need to look at more than just the surface, and do more than just point fingers at everyone else.
Have you ever heard of a leading question? This is an example of one, because you assume tribalism to be the root cause of racism. What evidence do you have to support this argument? Why does tribalism exist for tens or hundreds of millennia but racism only get constructed as capitalism is in the process of emerging from feudalism? Doesn’t sound at all like tribalism is the root cause of racism.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Don’t react to people “being racist” as though it’s just individual behaviors. See it as a historical process. When you see it as a historical process, you see that racism is THE national pattern of the USA, because the USA emerged in the same context that racism was being constructed in. It’s accurate to say that the USA and racism are deeply related because racism was being invented as part of the colonial project and the USA emerged from the colonial project and because racism was being invented as part of the capitalist project and the USA emerged and extended and ultimately maximized the capitalist project.
Do you think that seeing racism as a system that was constructed by Europeans as they entered the 1400s and through to the present day is looking at just the surface or pointing fingers at everyone else? Really? That’s your assessment of that position? Well, blow me down, I don’t really know what to say to that.
It seems to me that saying “racism is just tribalism and everyone engaged in tribalism” is quite literally a surface level analysis that quite literally points the fingers at everyone else. Your assessment is pretty on the nose for exactly the position you hold. But I’ve come to expect projection from white liberals at this point. You seem incapable of seeing the irony of accusing me of the very thing you are doing.