You’re saying this as if the process is latin specific. Just like how we can see Sheikh Zubayr written in the post in English, you could do the same in other languages, too.
It’s deliberate whitewashing of scientists that’s disgusting and your defending it here that’s appalling.
I never claimed it was specific to Latin? You can see it with the example of Copernicus that it was Latinized, Polonized (?) and Modern-Standard-Germanized.
Franz Liszt is called Liszt Ferenc in Hungarian. That’s because Ferenc is the Hungarian variant of Franz and Hungarian names are spelled backwards for some reason.
I could provide so many more options where people were given several names because they did not live in a monolingual region.
In Czech, women’s last names take on the -ová suffix. Even if they aren’t Czech, didn’t speak Czech or never set a foot into Czechia. For example: Hillary Clintonová
I frankly don’t care enough about what languages do to names. If the intent is to wipe out other cultures then it’s obviously bad. Like colonizing Brits did with native landmarks (e.g. Uluru -> Ayer’s Rock). If the intent is to adjust the name to a cultures grammar, pronunciation or similar, I couldn’t care less.
Except the intent is very much likely to wipe out other cultures here and not just to match grammar or pronunciation.
Honestly, this is a racist stereotype. A European person does something involving other cultures, therefore it must be an act of extermination. You’re stereotyping everyone of European decent as a plundering imperialist.
Why assume malice when there are perfectly reasonable explanations? Specifically, the perfectly reasonable explanation of “to make the words pronounceable in the local tongue.” Different languages have different structures and phonemes. Hell, some languages are tonal. Different languages have entirely different alphabets and pronunciation rules.
If there is a major historical figure whose name originates from a foreign culture, you’ll still want to talk about that person. However, very few people will be able to correctly pronounce the name. So, what every culture does, what every culture has always done, is to give historical figures a local name appropriate to the local language.
This is something humans have been doing since the dawn of time. Hell, living people do it today. Immigrants often pick a local name when locals can’t pronounce their name properly. And this happens in both directions. People coming to western countries often adopt local names, and westerners often adopt local names when moving to other countries.
This is something humans have been doing for tens of thousands of years. But no, go ahead and make some racist assumption about it being some evil thing those evil white people do.
Racial stereotyping isn’t cool, regardless of who you’re stereotyping.
Ibn Sina -> Avicenna seems to sound similar though, but I can’t speak Latin or Arabic.
At least the cenna and Sina part, you can see they’re related. The people Latinizing the name did not just roll a die I presume and had respect for the people who came up with something. It’s why algorithm and algebra are both directly from Arabic, algorithm from the guy who wrote this book:
The Concise Book of Calculation by Restoration and Balancing (Arabic: الكتاب المختصر في حساب الجبر والمقابلة, al-Kitāb al-Mukhtaṣar fī Ḥisāb al-Jabr wal-Muqābalah; or Latin: Liber Algebræ et Almucabola)
At least in my opinion the Latinization does not seek to hide the fact it’s Arabic. In fact, it just takes (directly) untranslatable Arabic terms and puts them into Latin.
It is not certain just what the terms al-jabr and muqabalah mean.
No idea how “Ibn -> Avi” makes sense though, I’d be surprised if it was done with any hostile intent though.
It doesn’t come off as Arabic and for a long time I myself, despite having known the Arab name, thought it was a different western guy.
This is is a largely unpopular take if you look into criticisms of how the west names things, provided one has a radicalization towards seeing things such as whitewashing etc.
You’re saying this as if the process is latin specific. Just like how we can see Sheikh Zubayr written in the post in English, you could do the same in other languages, too.
It’s deliberate whitewashing of scientists that’s disgusting and your defending it here that’s appalling.
I never claimed it was specific to Latin? You can see it with the example of Copernicus that it was Latinized, Polonized (?) and Modern-Standard-Germanized.
Franz Liszt is called Liszt Ferenc in Hungarian. That’s because Ferenc is the Hungarian variant of Franz and Hungarian names are spelled backwards for some reason.
I could provide so many more options where people were given several names because they did not live in a monolingual region.
In Czech, women’s last names take on the -ová suffix. Even if they aren’t Czech, didn’t speak Czech or never set a foot into Czechia. For example: Hillary Clintonová
I frankly don’t care enough about what languages do to names. If the intent is to wipe out other cultures then it’s obviously bad. Like colonizing Brits did with native landmarks (e.g. Uluru -> Ayer’s Rock). If the intent is to adjust the name to a cultures grammar, pronunciation or similar, I couldn’t care less.
Except the intent is very much likely to wipe out other cultures here and not just to match grammar or pronunciation.
Franz -> Ferenc isn’t as drastic a change as Ibn Sina -> Avicenna
The former retains similarity to the original whereas the latter makes it completely unclear the origin was Arab.
Honestly, this is a racist stereotype. A European person does something involving other cultures, therefore it must be an act of extermination. You’re stereotyping everyone of European decent as a plundering imperialist.
Why assume malice when there are perfectly reasonable explanations? Specifically, the perfectly reasonable explanation of “to make the words pronounceable in the local tongue.” Different languages have different structures and phonemes. Hell, some languages are tonal. Different languages have entirely different alphabets and pronunciation rules.
If there is a major historical figure whose name originates from a foreign culture, you’ll still want to talk about that person. However, very few people will be able to correctly pronounce the name. So, what every culture does, what every culture has always done, is to give historical figures a local name appropriate to the local language.
This is something humans have been doing since the dawn of time. Hell, living people do it today. Immigrants often pick a local name when locals can’t pronounce their name properly. And this happens in both directions. People coming to western countries often adopt local names, and westerners often adopt local names when moving to other countries.
This is something humans have been doing for tens of thousands of years. But no, go ahead and make some racist assumption about it being some evil thing those evil white people do.
Racial stereotyping isn’t cool, regardless of who you’re stereotyping.
No, this is just playing the victim.
Let’s not pretend whitewashing as a means of cultural appropriation doesn’t exist.
Deflecting that by saying “Racist!” isn’t the defense you think it is.
Didn’t make this claim. You’re strawmanning my argument entirely.
Ibn Sina -> Avicenna seems to sound similar though, but I can’t speak Latin or Arabic.
At least the cenna and Sina part, you can see they’re related. The people Latinizing the name did not just roll a die I presume and had respect for the people who came up with something. It’s why algorithm and algebra are both directly from Arabic, algorithm from the guy who wrote this book:
Al-Jabr
At least in my opinion the Latinization does not seek to hide the fact it’s Arabic. In fact, it just takes (directly) untranslatable Arabic terms and puts them into Latin.
No idea how “Ibn -> Avi” makes sense though, I’d be surprised if it was done with any hostile intent though.
It doesn’t come off as Arabic and for a long time I myself, despite having known the Arab name, thought it was a different western guy.
This is is a largely unpopular take if you look into criticisms of how the west names things, provided one has a radicalization towards seeing things such as whitewashing etc.