I cannot stomach voting for someone who sent billions to commit genocide with. That is my voice, and my opinion. What should I do with that on election day, you think?
Good job, the alternative that you and people like you chose by sitting around and doing nothing to prove your superiority is much better! Schoolgirls got bombed! The global markets were disrupted! Elon is a trillionaire! Environmental protections were removed and human lives were valued at 0 by the EPA! Trans people are openly punished and laws are being written to prevent them using public restrooms! Screwworms and measels are returning to the US! The entire planet hates the US (rightfully so and even more than they did before) and historic allies are turning against us! The US openly aligned with Israel and started a war for no reason!
I’m sure glad you couldn’t bear the weight of voting, you’re an inspirational beacon and the world thanks you for what you didn’t do
You misunderstand. Our current situation is exactly what your proposed strategy got us. You are proposing business as usual politics, and that’s exactly what we’ve been doing for decades. And for decades, things have gotten worse. This is not working. You’d have to be pretty fucking naive to stick to the same strategy that got us to where we are today (full blown fascism).
My guy, your point is not a subtle or nuanced as you think. It’s literally the default opinion in a liberal democracy. That’s not an indictment of the point, but it does mean I’ve heard it a thousand times before, and it’s not hard to understand. Independently of that it is empirically wrong though.
So, this is not the alternative though, right? Our current situation and political landscape is exactly where decades of blue no matter who got us. It’s time to change strategies, because this isn’t working.
Or is it where decades of mostly ignoring anything but presidential elections has gotten us? Where mot participating in most of the process has gotten us and then we want there to be just the choice we want, waiting for us at the end?
Again, you seem to be willingly missing the point. Up until the election, you had an entire year to fight tooth and nail for better. At the election, you only have two choices and no amount of “they both suck I refuse to do anything but sit here and tell everyone else they fucked up by letting it get to this point” will change that. You had two choices only and refused to make a single one, letting the worst happen.
Are you aware of the world around you enough to know how it got here? They voted red every single time and pulled things slightly more to the right every time they could. They didn’t like their candidates, but they understood they won’t get where they want to immediately. You have to incrementally get there because people are awful and scared of change so they kept working at it election by election. Meanwhile, people like you said “well this is not the perfect choice so I’m going to sit around and pout about it” and do nothing to even slow their progress.
No I understand your point. I just strongly disagree with it, mainly because reality just doesn’t line up with what you’re saying. What signs do you have that your current strategy is working? Like, actually. What signs are you getting from reality make you think “well geeze, we’ve got this down pat.”
I spent a solid year being called a trump supporter for saying that democrats had no business supporting genocide. I’m treating the genocide worshipers that comprise the entirety of the centrist wing of the party with the same consideration I got from them.
If they don’t like it, that’s the intent. They demonstrated that they have only one policy.
Get the fuck over yourself. It’s not “because they disagreed with your opinion” it’s because there was a choice to make between openly bombing children and giving ICE more funding than the military or keeping the status quo, which is an embarassing choice for sure and it’s goddamn disgusting those were the only options, but keeping the status quo would have been easier to come back from than coming back from whatever the fuck is happening now. Grow the fuck up and learn to make adult decisions
No, I think I will worry about election day, thank you very much. Voting is one of the most important ways to steer politicians toward working for your benefit. So please tell me, in your world view, what should I do with my voice and opinion on election day?
Bonus question: if you guarantee your vote to a party, regardless of what they do (such as commit a genocide, such as expand ICE, such as building the border wall, such as keeping Guantanamo bay open, such as never taxing the rich more, and so on), what incentive do they have to listen to you? And follow up, if your answer is that democrats do still work for the electorate, why are they moving further and further right, away from the interests and opinions of most Americans? (This is measurable, see for examples the 2014 paper Testing theories of American politics which found that policy positions of politicians align perfectly with those of economic elites, and with those of average voters really only ever by accident)
Start with learning the difference between the way things ought to be (they really should- it would be so easy) and the way things actually are. Knowing is half the battle!
I cannot stomach voting for someone who sent billions to commit genocide with. That is my voice, and my opinion. What should I do with that on election day, you think?
Good job, the alternative that you and people like you chose by sitting around and doing nothing to prove your superiority is much better! Schoolgirls got bombed! The global markets were disrupted! Elon is a trillionaire! Environmental protections were removed and human lives were valued at 0 by the EPA! Trans people are openly punished and laws are being written to prevent them using public restrooms! Screwworms and measels are returning to the US! The entire planet hates the US (rightfully so and even more than they did before) and historic allies are turning against us! The US openly aligned with Israel and started a war for no reason!
I’m sure glad you couldn’t bear the weight of voting, you’re an inspirational beacon and the world thanks you for what you didn’t do
What are you whining about? You got the genocide you wanted.
You misunderstand. Our current situation is exactly what your proposed strategy got us. You are proposing business as usual politics, and that’s exactly what we’ve been doing for decades. And for decades, things have gotten worse. This is not working. You’d have to be pretty fucking naive to stick to the same strategy that got us to where we are today (full blown fascism).
Wow, it’s almost impressive how you are so insanely dedicated to missing the entire point. You obviously are not capable of understanding a damn thing
My guy, your point is not a subtle or nuanced as you think. It’s literally the default opinion in a liberal democracy. That’s not an indictment of the point, but it does mean I’ve heard it a thousand times before, and it’s not hard to understand. Independently of that it is empirically wrong though.
Grow up and do the best thing that the situation allows. To see what the alternative is… [gestures vaguely at the world]
So, this is not the alternative though, right? Our current situation and political landscape is exactly where decades of blue no matter who got us. It’s time to change strategies, because this isn’t working.
Or is it where decades of mostly ignoring anything but presidential elections has gotten us? Where mot participating in most of the process has gotten us and then we want there to be just the choice we want, waiting for us at the end?
Again, you seem to be willingly missing the point. Up until the election, you had an entire year to fight tooth and nail for better. At the election, you only have two choices and no amount of “they both suck I refuse to do anything but sit here and tell everyone else they fucked up by letting it get to this point” will change that. You had two choices only and refused to make a single one, letting the worst happen.
Are you aware of the world around you enough to know how it got here? They voted red every single time and pulled things slightly more to the right every time they could. They didn’t like their candidates, but they understood they won’t get where they want to immediately. You have to incrementally get there because people are awful and scared of change so they kept working at it election by election. Meanwhile, people like you said “well this is not the perfect choice so I’m going to sit around and pout about it” and do nothing to even slow their progress.
You won the instant we were cheated out of a primary and both candidates were pro-genocide like you.
You seem to be making a hell of a lot of assumptions and straw men based on… Nothing. Please let the adults talk
You map adulthood 1:1 with genocide support and nothing else.
No I understand your point. I just strongly disagree with it, mainly because reality just doesn’t line up with what you’re saying. What signs do you have that your current strategy is working? Like, actually. What signs are you getting from reality make you think “well geeze, we’ve got this down pat.”
Okay, so then tell me how not voting worked out for you? Fix anything?
Who says I don’t vote?
You got the only thing you wanted either way.
You are very quick to put words and thoughts and deeds in people’s mouths and minds and hands.
I spent a solid year being called a trump supporter for saying that democrats had no business supporting genocide. I’m treating the genocide worshipers that comprise the entirety of the centrist wing of the party with the same consideration I got from them.
If they don’t like it, that’s the intent. They demonstrated that they have only one policy.
“Grow up” fuck off with that. Telling other adults they aren’t adult because they don’t agree with your opinion? Fuck right the fuck off.
Get the fuck over yourself. It’s not “because they disagreed with your opinion” it’s because there was a choice to make between openly bombing children and giving ICE more funding than the military or keeping the status quo, which is an embarassing choice for sure and it’s goddamn disgusting those were the only options, but keeping the status quo would have been easier to come back from than coming back from whatever the fuck is happening now. Grow the fuck up and learn to make adult decisions
We tried to tell you that you would lose if you didn’t change. You screamed abuse.
“Grow up and use your vote to do what’s best for me”
Fixed it for you, clown
Worry less about election day and more about those 364 days.
No, I think I will worry about election day, thank you very much. Voting is one of the most important ways to steer politicians toward working for your benefit. So please tell me, in your world view, what should I do with my voice and opinion on election day?
Bonus question: if you guarantee your vote to a party, regardless of what they do (such as commit a genocide, such as expand ICE, such as building the border wall, such as keeping Guantanamo bay open, such as never taxing the rich more, and so on), what incentive do they have to listen to you? And follow up, if your answer is that democrats do still work for the electorate, why are they moving further and further right, away from the interests and opinions of most Americans? (This is measurable, see for examples the 2014 paper Testing theories of American politics which found that policy positions of politicians align perfectly with those of economic elites, and with those of average voters really only ever by accident)
Start with learning the difference between the way things ought to be (they really should- it would be so easy) and the way things actually are. Knowing is half the battle!
Oh great thanks for the advice! Any chance you have an answer to literally any of the questions I asked?