Meat has a bad reputation. Most people think of meat, especially red meat, as dangerously unhealthy. However, meat has unique properties that make it more nutritious, easier to digest, and less likely to irritate your body than vegetables. Does the science behind meat-phobia hold up under the microscope?
TLDR - Yes, meat is healthy - eat it.
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Fun fact, we store fat for energy. When we sleep, between meals we are always burning fat. Babies burn fat for fuel all the tiem.
Insulin resistant is the wrong term here, the body is not flooded with high levels of insulin in a fat metabolism. The proper term is glucose sparing, most of the body is going to burn fat for energy in this state with the major exception being red blood cells and about 5-15% of brain energy.
Will fail a improperly administered oral glucose tolerance test, OGTTs must be primed for accuracy. The body’s response to insulin is very sensitive, but the pancreas isn’t maintaining a hot cache of insulin, because you arn’t using very much insulin. We have discussed this in detail before https://lemmy.world/post/46537093 . This is normal, your body doesn’t waste energy. This has no negative downsides because the pancreas will just make more glucose on demand when you consume carbohydrates and elevate glucose levels, and fill up the quick release cache.
Citation please - typically this condition is caused by super high elevated insulin levels and full fat cells (and the fat has nowhere to go) typically in a pre-diabetic state.
The fat in the muscles wont cause insulin signaling issues, your confusing cause and effect. The fat is ectopically stored around the body BECAUSE of the elevated insulin. visceral fat, intramuscular fat is a hallmark of metabolic dysfunction caused by hyperinsulinemia. In fact this is EXACTLY how marbled meat is made in cows, they are forced to eat excessive carbohydrates leading to this very condition
Citation please - How can a diet without elevated blood glucose, and thus without elevated insulin lead to a condition of carbohydrate intolerance (type 2 diabetes). I already addressed the failings of a unprimed OGTT above in the ketogenic post i linked .
Hey, please don’t add substantive additions to a message after you sent it. I had missed your updates.
I stand by what I said - type 2 diabetes is extremely expensive and is driven by the hyper-vegetarian food environment the world finds itself in. Yes a whole food plant based diet is less likely to develop T2D, but there are still fat vegans, so its not a guarantee.
Yes, people should not be afraid of meat and they should embrace it has a health tool.
I disagree with your premise - right now 20% of the world calories from from animals, with human ingenuity we can increase this… but the real plague is metabolic impairment and while carnivore is probably the single most power tool here, it isn’t the only tool - getting most people into a low carb or ketogenic state is going to be a massive improvement, and carnivore as a health tool can be used for people who still have issues (mostly gut issue, autoimmune, etc)
Where did you get that number? Our world data says it’s more like 5%.
Honestly, do you think 5% sounds anywhere near accurate? Does that reflect your observations as a human? The people around you? Please apply some critical thinking to the things you read
It’s hard to decide just based on my observations. I’ve travelled quite a bit.
In the west we can easily see 20-40% of calories coming from meat. But many people in the east like China and India eat meat only occasionally—like once a week.
So who knows it probably brings down the average to 5%?
One problem with the our would in data graph is its calories from protein. Animal sourced foods include fat too, which is actually the bulk of the calories.
Honestly, lots of our world in data graphs are problematic, I wouldn’t recommend using them as a primary source.
But yes, 20% of human energy is derived from animal sources (well 18% but 20 is easier to say), africa the least as you surmised.
https://doi.org/10.1080/23308249.2022.2124364 - Contribution of Fish and Seafood to Global Food and Feed Supply: An Analysis of the FAO Food Balance Sheet for 2019
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The ecological devastation is coming from mono-cropping.
How is a cow eating grass, churning the soil, fertilizing the soil - destructive? This is how the soil was created in the first place.
Why are farmed fish and poultry ok but not ruminants? Ruminants have a super power - they can eat food humans can’t eat, growing on land that can’t raise human crops, and turn that into human usable fat and protein!
Not really, it’s a highly processed food composed of many things, but a mega-dose of seed oil (which is very not good for health).
Why? People need to be health, meat is a super health food. People need to have a optimal metabolism, carbs and processed carbs and seed oils are antithetical to that. Healthy people eat less food, can eat local food that doesn’t need to be shipped around the world, and don’t need expensive chronic medical care.
Oh I agree, you absolutely can do plant based keto, and that is much better then SAD (standard australian diet). This entire conversation is a huge WHATABOUTISM - remember the post is about the health benefits of eating meat.
I think you will find the keto / zero carb communities extremely science based - self experiments, empirical validation, actually reading the literature.
Any change from the standard diet is a improvement. Our schism is over red meat .My understanding is I made a post about red meat being great, and we are talking about side things because in your estimate the world can’t afford to provide meat for everyone. You have said some negative things about keto but haven’t made your own dietary choices clear. Your advocating for a anti-red meat solution (which might include keto, you left the door open).
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yes. beef cattle graze for most of their lives, before being grain finished.
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as I said, that’s how most beef cattle are raised. I can’t say about dairy.
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That is the sustainable way to raise ruminants. Factory farms (both animals and crops) are not sustainable, and need to change.
When discussing plant based protein you NEED to account for bioavailability and liebig’s amino acid barrel. You have to eat a huge volume of food to get protein in the right amounts
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I made a post about the healthiness of meat, you are on a huge WHATABOUTISM crusade. WE are not talking about the same things, because you keep moving the goal posts. I admit right now only 20% of the global food supply is animal based, that is no reason to give up on red meat - the single most valuable and useful food source on the planet.
Don’t forget the current mono-cropping is unsustainable and requires huge fossil fuel fertilizer inputs. This population bomb hysteria isn’t productive, and doesn’t move the conversation forward in how to improve human health.
Lab grown meat isn’t a panacea, we don’t know how it interacts with humans. If your referring to plant based meat analogs they are terribly unhealthy and won’t work towards human health.
You have not demonstrated the health improvement on plants, if you have read Dr. Ede’s article this post is about you will see why that isn’t likely.
Please read the “The Great Plant-Based Con” by Jayne Buxton
The cow is actually eating corn feed, or at least the grass is being supplemented with corn feed.
Cows eating only grass can’t feed everyone who wants to eat red meat. The only way for beef to be a staple for billions of humans is through factory farming. It’s just not possible to have sustainable cattle agriculture when our population is this large.
And as the population grows, other forms of meat will become impossible to sustain as well: chicken, fish, doesn’t matter.
Some day soon, the only way to eat meat will be to eat bugs.
This is not how cows should be fed in a sustainable fashion.
Unfortunately we are going to have to figure this out. As the world becomes richer the previously impoverished are going to demand meat.
I do love a nice fried cricket
Please stop adding content after you sent a message, I didn’t see your update -
You ABSOLUTELY will not develop type 2 diabetes eating zero carb.
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Great! Describe the mechanism of action, and show me a case study. Surely there is evidence of to support your ‘factually correct’ position. I’m open to being wrong.
Is this LLM generated? As a quick test, tell me what insulin resistance is in 3 other words? And how would you correctly conduct an OGTT for someone fat adapted?
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A single cow can feed a adult for over a year, on land that can’t grow human edible crops.
See rule 6. Your account is also 8 days old. This is a small specialist community for the discussion of metabolic health, so please read the rules and keep in mind rule 4. If you do wish to cite studies and evidence, you should have read the papers you are citing and be willing to engage in good faith discussion.
I don’t consider LLM generated posts good faith discussion.
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Dude - Everything I have written for you is 100% from my head, no LLM involved.