The difference is that Israel continues to terrorize people until they are forced out of their homes or simply just demolish them so that Israelis can move in tomorrow, in a year, in a decade and so on. If I throw you out tomorrow, would it be bad of you to say “don’t throw me out”? What about the day after? What about in a year? What about when it happe again a few years later? Is it too late to complain about the first time by then? Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed in areas they have lived in for generations, that is still happening. That is the main thing Palestinians asks for to stop.
The fucking Palestinians with genetic markers VERIFIABLY TRACEABLE back 2000 yrs. Did you know most Israelis are allergic to the native olive trees and most Palestinians aren’t? That’s because most Israelis are GENETICALLY EUROPEAN.
If I’m following correctly, the solution would be to redraw the borders of the region and only permit those without an olive tree allergy, through genetic testing? I don’t think that’s really effective because it’d be a lot of work and probably result in a lot of false positives and false negatives. Is there another way we can identify who actually belongs there? What do we do with the rest of them?
The Kingdom of Israel existed there up until 720 BCE. Israelis and Jews lived in that area effectively “always”, just like the Palestinians. Returning “land back to all Native peoples” would mean exactly what we did - establishing a Palestine AND an Israel.
What’s missing right now is the UN to get off its arse and ensure that they remain separate, without Israel encroaching on Palestinian land.
They want to be separated. Palestinian nationalism grew extensively in the 1930s, there was unrest and a civil war. Palestinians want to have their own nation, just like the Israelis do.
It ended is existence in 720 BCE. Current State of Israel has no relation to it other than name. Majority of the Jews staying there today are Europeans.
Majority of Jews are Europeans because they got kicked out of their home in the 15th-16th century.
But now we have a conundrum! You’re saying that “State of Israel has no relation to it other than name”, and that is - from what I understand - your argument towards there being no Israel as the solution to the issues, right?
But that means Palestine should be eliminated too considering it never existed as a nation at all in the entire history of humanity.
So, which is it? Are we keeping your methodology and giving back the entire territory to Iran, or are we agreeing that it’s stupid fucking methodology?
Palestinians are also Arabs. Jews have been staying there peacefully since millennia. Both can share a single nation with equal or proportional representation.
Ah, so we now need to start doing genetic check-ups? How many of the Palestinians still have Persian DNA, considering the land historically belonged to Persia?
Also: you’re wrong. Israelis have very significant percentage of Near Easter and Middle Eastern DNA.
Literally says nothing about Israeli Jewish populations, just Jews in general. Moot fucking point. And if your ancestors left 2x thousand years ago you have literally 0 claim to the land.
Are you referring to the Babylonian Exile? Perhaps it’s worth mentioning why they left? Your oversimplification is not helping your position, which appears to support genocide.
It’s then especially hypocritical that you attack anybody who comes with any nuance by calling them a Nazi.
To which date, specifically, should we reset nations and borders, in your opinion?
Eat a dick
No, it’s a valid question, Jews also used to live in that land millennia ago.
I used to live in your house. Give back to me now.
You could argue that that’s what Palestinians are saying to the Israelis.
But while we have this ouija board thing going on, there’s things I’d like to ask you about the house, grandpa.
The difference is that Israel continues to terrorize people until they are forced out of their homes or simply just demolish them so that Israelis can move in tomorrow, in a year, in a decade and so on. If I throw you out tomorrow, would it be bad of you to say “don’t throw me out”? What about the day after? What about in a year? What about when it happe again a few years later? Is it too late to complain about the first time by then? Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed in areas they have lived in for generations, that is still happening. That is the main thing Palestinians asks for to stop.
Did you used to own the house and then were kicked out of it by force by a third party that never owned even part of the house?
Pedantic argument. There’s no specific date to “reset”. You and I are both well aware of who is an oppressor and who the land was stolen from.
Land back to all Native peoples, fuck the Eurocentric hegemony created by European imperialism.
Who are the natives, in this instance?
The fucking Palestinians with genetic markers VERIFIABLY TRACEABLE back 2000 yrs. Did you know most Israelis are allergic to the native olive trees and most Palestinians aren’t? That’s because most Israelis are GENETICALLY EUROPEAN.
That’s very interesting, I didn’t know that.
If I’m following correctly, the solution would be to redraw the borders of the region and only permit those without an olive tree allergy, through genetic testing? I don’t think that’s really effective because it’d be a lot of work and probably result in a lot of false positives and false negatives. Is there another way we can identify who actually belongs there? What do we do with the rest of them?
Cool found another ZioNazi to block.
I’m absolutely not a supporter of Israel. I’m only trying to point out the absurdity of your proposal.
The Kingdom of Israel existed there up until 720 BCE. Israelis and Jews lived in that area effectively “always”, just like the Palestinians. Returning “land back to all Native peoples” would mean exactly what we did - establishing a Palestine AND an Israel.
What’s missing right now is the UN to get off its arse and ensure that they remain separate, without Israel encroaching on Palestinian land.
Why separate them? bring Kanaan back and if the Jews don’t like it they can go farming in the hills again.
They want to be separated. Palestinian nationalism grew extensively in the 1930s, there was unrest and a civil war. Palestinians want to have their own nation, just like the Israelis do.
It ended is existence in 720 BCE. Current State of Israel has no relation to it other than name. Majority of the Jews staying there today are Europeans.
Majority of Jews are Europeans because they got kicked out of their home in the 15th-16th century.
But now we have a conundrum! You’re saying that “State of Israel has no relation to it other than name”, and that is - from what I understand - your argument towards there being no Israel as the solution to the issues, right?
But that means Palestine should be eliminated too considering it never existed as a nation at all in the entire history of humanity.
So, which is it? Are we keeping your methodology and giving back the entire territory to Iran, or are we agreeing that it’s stupid fucking methodology?
Give it to Arabs simple.
Which Arabs? Lebanese? Egyptian? Jordanian? Syrian? Make it an Iranian exclave?
And what do you do with the Palestinians and Israelis already living there? Genocide both groups? That’s your solution?
Palestinians are also Arabs. Jews have been staying there peacefully since millennia. Both can share a single nation with equal or proportional representation.
Yeah, but neither wants that, so how do you solve it?
This genius solved the Middle East conflict that has been going on for over 3,000 years.
So afraid to try that you ridicule it with quips.
Israelis are fucking genetic Europeans they have no right to that land.
Ah, so we now need to start doing genetic check-ups? How many of the Palestinians still have Persian DNA, considering the land historically belonged to Persia?
Also: you’re wrong. Israelis have very significant percentage of Near Easter and Middle Eastern DNA.
Literally says nothing about Israeli Jewish populations, just Jews in general. Moot fucking point. And if your ancestors left 2x thousand years ago you have literally 0 claim to the land.
What if your ancestors got forced out 500 years ago? Got claim then?
Are you referring to the Babylonian Exile? Perhaps it’s worth mentioning why they left? Your oversimplification is not helping your position, which appears to support genocide.
It’s then especially hypocritical that you attack anybody who comes with any nuance by calling them a Nazi.
1947
Why that date specifically?
There was no Israel before that. Kingdom of Israel has ceased to exist thousands of years before.
What’s the cut-off time in years for when the existence of something classifies as “there was X before that” vs “there was no X before that”?
This date is convenient because it suits the argument for the proponents of eradicating Israel.
OK, I see you’re a bit slower than some. No worries! Let’s try this: what makes 1947 a more significant date than, say, 750 BCE?
You’re nowhere near as clever as you think you are
Hey, at least I know I can discuss things without mindlessly downvoting the opinions I don’t agree with! Unlike some of us. ;)
Before the British divided the Arab lands and gave it to Europeans.