• CAVOK
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    14 hours ago

    I know that you responded to me with insults, which is not only rude but also in violation of one of the rules of the channel.

    That said, I don’t need to be an expert in any country’s culture or history to criticize them when they violate basic human rights. I didn’t think that was controversial, but aparently it is, at least to some.

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      12 hours ago

      I didn’t call you dumb. I presumed you were talking about a hypothetical scenario. It seems I was wrong, and I should have called you dumb.

      If you don’t know their culture/history or can’t read what they publish how you can judge and analyse whodunit or whydunit? Do you think that people who is actually trying to do something about Israel doesn’t know shit about them and are only shitposting online based on vibes? You can criticize anything but without knowing what you talking about you just sound like a dumbass regurgitating what others are telling you.

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        12 hours ago

        Again, very civil of you. Your mother must be very proud. I told you I knew very little about Chinese culture but still objected to their human rights violations, to which you responded “…shut the fuck up…”, and now you want to pretend that it was a hypothetical. Ok then.

        When did I criticize people trying to stop Israels genocide? I’m again, and always, on the side of human rights, and the Palestinian people have their rights violated on a daily basis. I’m saying I don’t need to know exactly who did what to whom and when to want the killings to stop. I don’t know why you object to that.

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          11 hours ago

          Again, very civil of you. Your mother must be very proud. I told you I knew very little about Chinese culture but still objected to their human rights violations, to which you responded “…shut the fuck up…”, and now you want to pretend that it was a hypothetical. Ok then.

          Because I was been nice, I genuinely didn’t think someone would try to talk about a subject without having any knowledge about the people involved.

          When did I criticize people trying to stop Israels genocide? I’m again, and always, on the side of human rights, and the Palestinian people have their rights violated on a daily basis. I’m saying I don’t need to know exactly who did what to whom and when to want the killings to stop. I don’t know why you object to that.

          If you don’t know about the history of Israel and Palestine, shut the fuck up, the chance of you believing bullshit like the lies about the October and Hamas is gigantic, because again if you don’t know nothing about the subject how you can do a valid analysis? Without knowledge you are manipulated mass and you can easily fight for the wrong side of history.

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            11 hours ago

            Because I was been nice, I genuinely didn’t think someone would try to talk about a subject without having any knowledge about the people involved.

            Oh yeah, so nice you told me to shut up and then tried to gaslight me. Ok. Who said anything about “without having any knowledge”? You don’t need to be an expert on a subject to have an opinion. I’m not an expert on China, but I can still have and opinion on their human rights violations. And I do.

            If you don’t know about the history of Israel and Palestine, shut the fuck up…

            Again with the politeness… I know enough to want the killings to stop in Palestine, and again, nobody said anything about “…know nothing about the subject”. To me it’s not complicated. If you’re committing human rights violations, you’re in the wrong and you need to stop, because the ends do not justify the means. Who made you the gatekeeper? You sure you have the full picture and isn’t just manipulated and on the wrong side of history?

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              I know enough to want the killings to stop in Palestine, and again, nobody said anything about “…know nothing about the subject”. To me it’s not complicated. If you’re committing human rights violations, you’re in the wrong and you need to stop, because the ends do not justify the means.

              Want something doesn’t make it a reality, how you actually stop the genocide? By Two-state solution? Solidifying Hamas government? Expulsing Israel off the region? Do you condemn Hamas? You can only actually answer this with knowledge of history and culture which you think is secondary.

              You said “well documented” ongoing violations of human rights in China, how can you validate the evidences of the “well documented” without the knowledge you seen to think is not necessary? Someone with knowledge in chinese language disproved the primary source, Adrian Zenz, by simply analyzing the numbers of IUD that Adrian provide versus the actual numbers, with a more significant knowledge about Chinese history and culture anyone would know that the usage of IUD in China is really common because of their policies about birth rates, minor changes in the number of IUD bought doesn’t translate to “mass sterilization” which was one of the major violations of human rights in China.

              Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.

              You only know the present fact(debatable), think the past history is not necessary and know nothing of its essentials, so… shut the fuck up.

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                Want something doesn’t make it a reality, how you actually stop the genocide? By Two-state solution? Solidifying Hamas government? Expulsing Israel off the region? Do you condemn Hamas? You can only actually answer this with knowledge of history and culture which you think is secondary.

                All of those things can be sorted out by experts once the killings stop. I’m not going to stop advocating for the end of the killings just because there isn’t a document on how the long term solution should look, because that’s not important right now.

                You said “well documented” ongoing violations of human rights in China…

                Yes. They’re executing prisoners. That goes against Article 3. I don’t need to know why they do it, how or when. I don’t need to know Chinese. I don’t need to know the history or the culture to criticize them for violating Article 3. Do you want to tell me that capital punishment isn’t a thing in China?

                You only know the present fact(debatable), think the past history is not necessary and know nothing of its essentials, so… shut the fuck up.

                I don’t need to know the history or culture of someone about to murder someone to want to stop them. This seems to be too hard for you to grasp, so I’m done with you and your insults now. Have a lovely day.