• qevlarr
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    I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades.

    Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame people for not voting blue to stop fascism even if they don’t like the blue candidate, and at the same time say the votes are proof that the blue candidate was the right pick. If wasn’t and that’s why they lost. Don’t blame the voters there wasn’t more enthusiasm, maybe try to have an actual platform next time

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      I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades

      I don’t disagree but was it that obvious to the average voter in 2024 after a year of full on pro-trump media blitz?

      When a candidate loses by 20 points it’s easy to guess what their mistake was. When they lose by 1.5% I find out a whole less obvious. It’s all hypotheticals but really there was no guarantee a leftist candidate would have done better. Maybe yes, maybe no.

      In France in 2022 we had a good example of a deeply unpopular status quo candidate winning over both the leftist and the fascist candidates. The fascist would have steamrolled the leftist in a heart beat if they had both gotten to the second turn.

      Just because we have personal preference for leftist candidates doesn’t make them win elections.

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        The preference is for a candidate with an appealing platform. US politics often does not have that and is 100% relying on rejection of the other candidate. The American voting system sucks completely. The democratic party should hold true to their name and at the very least hold fair primaries before every election. And make the primaries fair so everyone votes at the same time, and losers can’t decide where their votes go and spoil other options.

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          I’m not disputing any of that. I would also prefer that. But it doesn’t mean it’s a dominant strategy, or that it would have worked in 2024. That’s all I’m saying.