• 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉
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    damn, if I get to choose… then it is not a fair game.

    first, if he is there threating me to go to hell, then it is safe to assume that heaven is real.

    challenge him to do something against his nature.

    Challenge him to be the better kindest person, can’t be a kind person if he sends people to hell.

    Challenge him to enter heaven by merit.

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      The devil doesn’t send people to Hell. God does. The devil is just there to receive and punish the people God determined weren’t good enough for Heaven.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        “He’s sending us to eternal damnation because he loves us!”

        -Christians who are in an abusive relationship with their god.

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        Hell, I don’t even think canonically he has any kind of official position. The Devil isn’t Hades. Hades has an official position - he’s Lord of the Underworld. He’s just as much a deity as any of the other Greek pantheon.

        But the Devil? I imagine Hell as just a giant hole in the ground where God throws things he doesn’t like. As the oldest and most powerful being in Hell, the Devil ends up running the place by default, but it’s not a position of divinely-granted authority. He’s just as much a prisoner there as anyone else. The jail just has no guards, so the prisoners end up running things.

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          Hell, I don’t even think canonically he has any kind of official position.

          He doesn’t. Him being the ruler of Hell was first depicted in Paradise Lost.

      • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉
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        But you only go to hell because you lose your soul to him. if you win you don’t, and if the competition means he loses if he takes it, then he cannot take it.

        give him a paradox.

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          This assumes rules are being followed. And by biblical terms, the devil doesn’t play by the rules — hence why he was cast out of heaven.

          But you’re also assuming the devil is the evil one in this situation. And whose word are we taking that the devil is evil?

          ~Hint: the victors write the history books.~

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      First, the existence of hell does not necessitate the existence of heaven. The existence of the Devil doesn’t even require a God. Maybe that’s just the story we tell ourselves because the truth is too bleak.

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        technically true, based on pure logic.

        but lets face it, if I see a creature from the lore of certain religion, it would be a reasonable assumption to expect other aspects of their mythology.

        finding a bit of gold in a river could mean that I have found all the gold in that area and there’s no point in searching. but come on.