One guy during the probation period called IT saying his laptop was broke, they told him to bring it into the office. It turned out he was on another continent and didn’t bother to tell anyone. As expected he lost his job.
We had this once with a guy working remotely who decided to move to Poland without telling anyone, which was not allowed in the terms of his contract nor did he have a visa to live in Poland. Only person I’ve ever heard of getting deported from Poland to the UK
This is becoming quite a thing here in Vietnam. We are starting to get quite a few undocumented migrant workers from the USA. It’s slowly becoming problematic. I expect my compliance paperwork to increase in cost and complexity if the trend continues.
Also I see them die on the roads sometimes, maybe one per year. That’s not an outcome I’d wish on them, but it’s not surprising either.
Makes sense. I don’t know why, but I somehow read the original comment to mean that Americans were randomly dead on the side of the road, sans car. Lol
Driving a motorcycle unsafely in mixed traffic without a license, registration, insurance, experience, or the ability to read the road signs. Saw two doing unsafe stuff on my way to work today. Not sure specifically where they are from, I didn’t stop to ask. I can infer non-compliance from the license plate types with decent accuracy though. Generally plates that say NN (foreign resident), NG (foreign organization), or LD (local enterprise) are compliant and others are not. There are a couple of exceptions beyond that, but they are quite rare.
One nearly got hit by a bus as they cut across the road at an intersection. The other was just being pushy but didn’t outright do anything that would get them killed – not really out of the ordinary, just ‘somewhat unsafe’.
Probably, but that’s not the issue from a corporate perspective. You still transported a company laptop, presumably containing company IP or other confidential information, across an international border. That’s the big sticking point with most corporations due to the rules about search and seizure of said data when crossing borders. Some companies might insist that only prepared clean (essentially empty, not just encrypted) machines can cross borders and you can download the data you need through a VPN once you reach your destination.
Yeah, we have a country list with different security levels. The company issued laptops are only allowed in some countries, for other countries you get a special travel laptop. Not sure if China is not just entirely black-listed. Certainly just working remotely from China is a no-go. Business trips are probably okay under some conditions.
Yeah, even crossing (or just existing within a couple hundred miles of) a US border, even as a US citizen, you give up almost all privacy and rights against search and seizure including personal “papers” stored on any storage device to border patrol and customs agents. It’s crazy the freedoms and protections people have voted away in the name of security theater and convenience.
In addition there can also be serious legal implications for a company if they have workers working in another country. Is the company now subject to the tax laws of that country because the employee visited? How about labour laws? Do their products now need to be translated into another language because the employee worked while in that jurisdiction? Etc.
One guy during the probation period called IT saying his laptop was broke, they told him to bring it into the office. It turned out he was on another continent and didn’t bother to tell anyone. As expected he lost his job.
We had this once with a guy working remotely who decided to move to Poland without telling anyone, which was not allowed in the terms of his contract nor did he have a visa to live in Poland. Only person I’ve ever heard of getting deported from Poland to the UK
Did you ever find out why he suddenly moved to Poland? Was it cheaper?
Definitely cheaper, I don’t know if that was the reason though, he was a weird dude
I have a friend who was deported from India back to the US.
And I almost got deported from Canada and China back to the US.
This is becoming quite a thing here in Vietnam. We are starting to get quite a few undocumented migrant workers from the USA. It’s slowly becoming problematic. I expect my compliance paperwork to increase in cost and complexity if the trend continues.
Also I see them die on the roads sometimes, maybe one per year. That’s not an outcome I’d wish on them, but it’s not surprising either.
Why are they dying on the roads?
Probably either stray meteorites or cars.
Makes sense. I don’t know why, but I somehow read the original comment to mean that Americans were randomly dead on the side of the road, sans car. Lol
I read this as, “Probably either meteorites or stray cats.”
Seems legit, moving along.
Driving a motorcycle unsafely in mixed traffic without a license, registration, insurance, experience, or the ability to read the road signs. Saw two doing unsafe stuff on my way to work today. Not sure specifically where they are from, I didn’t stop to ask. I can infer non-compliance from the license plate types with decent accuracy though. Generally plates that say NN (foreign resident), NG (foreign organization), or LD (local enterprise) are compliant and others are not. There are a couple of exceptions beyond that, but they are quite rare.
One nearly got hit by a bus as they cut across the road at an intersection. The other was just being pushy but didn’t outright do anything that would get them killed – not really out of the ordinary, just ‘somewhat unsafe’.
Had the same thing happen. They found out he logged into the company VPN from China.
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Probably, but that’s not the issue from a corporate perspective. You still transported a company laptop, presumably containing company IP or other confidential information, across an international border. That’s the big sticking point with most corporations due to the rules about search and seizure of said data when crossing borders. Some companies might insist that only prepared clean (essentially empty, not just encrypted) machines can cross borders and you can download the data you need through a VPN once you reach your destination.
Yeah, we have a country list with different security levels. The company issued laptops are only allowed in some countries, for other countries you get a special travel laptop. Not sure if China is not just entirely black-listed. Certainly just working remotely from China is a no-go. Business trips are probably okay under some conditions.
Yeah, even crossing (or just existing within a couple hundred miles of) a US border, even as a US citizen, you give up almost all privacy and rights against search and seizure including personal “papers” stored on any storage device to border patrol and customs agents. It’s crazy the freedoms and protections people have voted away in the name of security theater and convenience.
In addition there can also be serious legal implications for a company if they have workers working in another country. Is the company now subject to the tax laws of that country because the employee visited? How about labour laws? Do their products now need to be translated into another language because the employee worked while in that jurisdiction? Etc.
Exactly, it’s mostly a legal problem. Most often a single day, weekend or even a few weeks however are rarely a problem.
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