@firefox STOP. UPDATING.
The browser was done TEN YEARS AGO. There is literally ZERO FUCKING JUSTIFICATION for you pushing updates EVERY GODDAMN DAY.
Fucking KNOCK IT OFF. WE DON’T WANT YOUR AI FUCKING GARBAGE.
This is why you’re losing to a fucking fork.
You were supposed to be defenders of the faith, not fucking corporate whore sellouts like Google.
I have this job that calls me that. They could be wrong, but they’re paying me to do it, and by all accounts so far from anyone that knows me, I am pretty competent.
It seems that the “point I am missing” is that many people dislike AI so much that they are willing to gleefully rush to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I think anyone speaking in good faith about AI must acknowledge that it has led to many advancements in many industries. There are all kinds of ML algorithms, not just the barely useful “mechanical Turk” LLMs.
I’m opposed to using AI to autocorrect my code or tell me the name of the 5th king of England, but I’m not against it doing things like identifying cancer in patients practically before they even have it, or devising unintuitive physical structures with uncanny structural properties that advance space technologies, for example. Just because the technology is 99% waste doesn’t mean its not 1% useful. That waste is the result of a different problem: corporatocracy and regulatory capture.
@badgermurphy Stop conflating machine learning with LLMs. WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
When you do that, we hear “lie, lie, bullshit, lie” and stop listening.
Where/how am I doing that?
I understand that ML is to LLM what a motor is to a car. They are not the same, but one is a piece of the other. I dont believe I’ve ever conflated those terms. I am trying to specifically draw that distinction, in fact.
I can’t tell if you’re trying to persuade me, convince others,or are simply trying to shout so I can’t be heard. Youre telling me to stop doing something I dont believe I ever started, but are not saying what that is in a way that I can decipher.
@badgermurphy you’re in a thread about AI in Firefox and uneccesary updates to push that garbage. I think YOU are the one who is trying to change the discussion. We’re talking about LLMs and consent and security. No one gives a fuck that your argument is “there are special use cases where LLMs are really cool!”
No. There are not.
I dont understand. I didn’t say you were changing the discussion and I didn’t say LLMs are good. I noted that they were used to find exploits in Firefox, many of which were confirmed to be true. I didn’t make a value judgment on whether using that tool was good. If I had, I would have said that it is not worth burning down the planet to write more secure code.
That said, they already did it. It would be even more of a waste if we disregarded the one small good that came out of it. I’m saying that we now know for a fact things that are not done about Firefox, that’s it. If you look at my words, I didn’t make the claims youre saying, and you are reading them into my words, presumably due to assumptions you’ve made about my opinion, which I assure you are also untrue.
@badgermurphy There is NO BABY IN THE BATHWATER. The LLMs lie, cheat, and steal, and are destroying the planet. We don’t want AI, we don’t want the data centers, and we don’t want the gas turbines.
LLM are a strategic, business, and personal liability, and not only did you STEAL the bathwater, you stole the fucking house.
Machine learning is not AI, we know the difference. What we don’t want is your fucking autochat autocomplete copyright theft machine anywhere near us.
You are talking about LLMs, and I’m talking about all of AI. LLMs are the ones that lie, cheat, and steal. Other ML algorithms use scientific data licensed for such uses. They share some technology, but are not at all the same in assembly, construction, or use. Much like a gas generator is nothing like an earthmover, but they operate on the same core technology.
@badgermurphy You can’t talk about ALL OF AI as one thing. It is not one thing, and we are well aware that the version you’re pimping is a copyright thieving LLM, not a machine learning algo running inside a closed system on proprietary data. Stop being disingenious. We’re not fucking stupid, and you’re just making yourself look bad. Worse, I should say.
I think you may misunderstand me. I am doing the opposite. LLMs are nothing like the other ML technologies other than that they use machine learning algorithms. They are as different as a leafblower and a space shuttle.