This again, isn’t the first time I’ve mentioned this ; given the severity of the activity, and the evidence I’ve provided, why hasn’t there been any action

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    Comparing a solo developer’s unmoderated hobby site to multi-million dollar corporations like 4chan or VRChat is legally and technically absurd 😭. 4chan and VRChat are not unmoderated. 4chan employs an aggressive, 24/7 global team of paid and volunteer moderators (janitors) who utilize sophisticated, automated digital fingerprint tracking (like PhotoDNA) to instantly scrub illegal material and block perpetrators the millisecond it hits their servers. VRChat employs massive automated tools, trust-and-safety teams, and an aggressive reporting system backed by parent company funding. Perchance has none of this infrastructure; and the flimsy “moderation” that is present, has an insurmountable level of INTERNATIONAL evidence regarding its ineffectiveness (17 literal police reports to be exact). There is a vast legal gap between a platform being “not 100% foolproof” and a platform being “willfully negligent.” Nobody is demanding the developer be a psychic who stops 100% of crimes before they happen. The issue is that Perchance’s “basic oversight” is purely performative and completely broken. If a bank installs a cardboard cutout of a security guard, they cannot claim “basic security exists” when they get robbed. The law requires reasonable and effective moderation once a systemic crisis is brought to the owner’s attention. Under federal statutes, a platform cannot throw its hands up and say “it’s the wild west, protect yourselves” when dealing with severe child exploitation.

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      It’s crazy that I’ve seen some of the most heinous things on 4chan. VRchat is one of the worst places for kids to this day and no good parents allow their kids on VRchat. That is freaking wild.

      1. The 4chan Myth: “Aggressive, 24/7 Global Paid Janitors”

      The claim that 4chan has a “sophisticated, 24/7 global team of paid and volunteer moderators” keeping it clean is a massive stretch.

      The Reality: 4chan’s moderation team (affectionately or derisively called “janitors”) consists almost entirely of unpaid volunteers. Their moderation style is notoriously hands-off, reactive, and localized to specific boards.

      The Truth in the Claim: 4chan does use automated fingerprinting tools like PhotoDNA. However, they didn’t implement these out of corporate goodwill—they were legally backed into a corner after years of massive federal and international pressure regarding severe illegal material.

      The Exaggeration: To do anything comparable as considering 4chan to be a multi-million dollar pristine corporation ignores its entire history. It is a textboard that has historically operated on a shoestring budget, relying heavily on ad networks that frequently drop them, and surviving on the absolute bare minimum of infrastructure required to avoid getting shut down by the government. - Gemini AI

      1. The VRChat Myth: “Massive, Flawless Automated Safety Teams”

      The speaker frames VRChat as an iron-clad fortress of safety because of its corporate backing. Anyone who has spent an hour in a public VRChat lobby knows this isn’t true.

      The Reality: VRChat is famous for its “Wild West” atmosphere. Because users can upload custom avatars and private worlds, it is incredibly difficult for automated tools to scan 3D assets for toxic, hateful, or inappropriate content in real-time.

      The Exaggeration: While VRChat absolutely has a Trust & Safety team and a reporting system, a huge burden of the moderation is pushed onto the community (vote-kicking, private instances, and blocking). It is far from an automated, corporate-scrubbed paradise. - Gemini AI

      “Not 100% Foolproof” Section 230 protects platforms from being sued for what their users post, provided the platform acts in good faith to remove illegal content when notified.

      There are bans, reports, AI moderation, Creators of generators also exercise control over chatrooms, there is an effort in good faith to moderate the website within reason, a 24/7 human staff cannot be expected for Perchance, the same is true for many other websites that are in operation. If you want to sue somebody just do it, you complain about it, you make a lot of claims, yet the Dev is not intimidated by you.

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        IWontArgueAsAHumanGPT translating 🎉

        4chan survives because it has automated hashing tools (PhotoDNA) that scrub known CSAM files at the server level before they load, alongside an established reporting pipe to law enforcement. VRChat has a multi-tiered reporting system, dedicated Trust & Safety staff, and automated logging 🤖

        Section 230 has an absolute, explicit exemption for federal criminal law, specifically child exploitation. Under 47 U.S.C. § 230(e)(1), civil immunity completely vanishes when a federal crime is involved. You cannot claim “good faith immunity” under Section 230 for hosting CSAM 🤖

        Furthermore, even under civil standards, “Good Faith” requires effective action. If a platform owner is handed active federal NCMEC case numbers showing that their anonymous chatrooms are being used by predators, and the owner responds by leaving the exact same broken, easily bypassed chat system running, that is the legal definition of “bad faith” and willful blindness 🤖

        Shifting the blame to parents or individual generator creators is a legally meaningless defense. Parents are not the ones hosting a web server on the clear web; the developer of Perchance is, in essence 🤖

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          Yet, you’re still posting here on this Lemmy forum without any reply from the Dev who has previously replied to people on this forum and the subreddit when he feels the need to. So, whatever legal threats that you have been posing don’t seem to bother him at all. I reckon he feels fairly confident that he can respond effectively to any legal threats that you pose to the website. You’re here with your UN soldier avatar having legal arguments with actual users of the website that code generators and use it extensively. Yes, parents should take responsibility for their children’s internet activity, I don’t understand when that changed. It has always been that way since the inception of the internet, chat rooms, internet porn, forums and all that stuff. British law does not apply to everyone. It is no secret how Britain is slowly becoming a mirror of Communist China in terms of internet censorship.

          It’s crazy how you’re literally trying to talk up two platforms with massive problems in an effort to denigrate Perchance and its Dev. There are literally whole videos about the scandals on VRchat and 4chan.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTY13VRbSuw

          From the video transcript.

          0:38 “VR Chat is definitely one of the worst games I have ever seen in terms of predators.”

          Literal murderers are being inspired have been inspired on 4chan. Where is the Perchance murderer? What shooters are being radicalized to kill on Perchance?

          https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61460468

          “Packed full of racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, memes, hoaxes and and in-jokes, his manifesto is also clearly influenced by the message board 4chan, one of the biggest and most controversial hubs of internet subculture. It is the birthplace of many famous online memes, harassment and trolling campaigns, as well as social, political and conspiratorial movements.”

          “Gendron references a 4chan board devoted to guns, and says he was radicalised by the /pol/ or “politically incorrect” board. He also mentions other extreme online spaces he visited, including the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer.”

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            Interpreting a developer’s total silence as “legal confidence” is a massive, naive assumption. He is likely ignoring it because he is a solo hobbyist who is completely unequipped to handle a federal child safety crisis. Missing the point award 🥇; I’m clearly stating they possess the corporate and legal infrastructure to survive federal crackdowns, whereas Perchance’s chat feature does not. The BBC article you pasted explicitly states that 4chan was “legally backed into a corner after years of massive federal and international pressure” and forced to use advanced automated tracing tools like PhotoDNA. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN WHISTLEBLOWING 4chan barely survives on a shoestring budget by cooperating with federal agencies and running active hash-filters. Perchance has zero server-side hash filtering. VRChat survives because it logs data, cooperates with subpoenas, and actively hands predators over to law enforcement.

            For the record, since someone as nitpicky as you would assume for some wild reason; I’m not English 🫩. Using the word mate, which is a highly frequent term itself, isn’t limited to the UK at all; and I’ve been citing US legal statues this whole time. The NCMEC is a United States federal clearinghouse established by Congress. Perchance operates on clear-web infrastructure subject to U.S. federal jurisdiction. This has absolutely nothing to do with UK law or “China-style censorship.” It has everything to do with strict U.S. federal criminal statutes that carry absolute zero-tolerance mandatory minimums.

            And there was a user, who goes by nosight if the developer would like to verify on the gen I mentioned, that wrote an entire literal testimony abiut how he’d kill student in his school, and how he borrows influence from Adam Lanza

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              No average American calls anyone a mate unless it’s a woman or man that they want to mate with, that mate stuff is a British thing. There are four mods on this Lemmy forum it gets nowhere near as much traffic as the subreddit and they still are not interacting with you. They probably saw the same thing I saw.

              “Internal moderation on this site is entirely absent” ➡️ https://lemmy.world/post/49041435

              After seeing that blatant lie from your first post; they likely think that it’s not worth their time to address a person that made a false claim about their website in the first place. There is no reason for them to address you when you say that a website that has report functions and bans has no moderation. Because it proved that you were disingenuously lying from the start.

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                Trying to dodge a child safety crisis by playing grammar police is a pathetic and morally bankrupt defense. Consider me the first then; do point out which mods would intentionally ignore the topic at hand because I’m apparently ‘annoying’

                ^ Case and point

                As the I clearly explained, the “moderation” on perchance.org/ai-chat consists of an automated AI system that merely triggers a brief, temporary 3-day shadowban if 5 to 6 unique IPs click report. This is not functional moderation against severe criminals. Predators easily alternate their IP addresses with free VPNs in three seconds to bypass the flag and continue distributing horrific materials

                Please stop jerking back to the same points, mate