• x1gma
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    18 hours ago

    So, they want to develop a rival, huh?

    • no actual sources for data, compared with american companies like Google, Meta, etc.
    • lack of experts without ethics, who have the skillset required and have no ethical objections building this
    • no infrastructure of this size
    • no european frontier models

    Or, in less technical, no data to process, no developers to build it, nowhere to run this on, and no technical means to analyze that data.

    I can’t see how this is not gonna be a gigantic waste of money, that could’ve been spent on literally anything else that would work better and that Europe would actually benefit from.

    • kugel7c@feddit.org
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      14 hours ago

      Idk the BND and its French equivalent can largely buy up the exact same data sources the Americans are buying as well.

      I agree that it’s kind of a waste in terms of why would we want mass surveillance at home. But believing the EU can’t do this from a tech /resource perspective is rather shortsighted. Now a German French co-production running super smoothly especially at the start is also unlikely but they probably will get there at some point.

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        5 hours ago

        The Americans are not buying the data sources, they have the data sources. Whatever else they are buying is just an addition to what they have. For surveillance purposes location data alone from Google/Apple and/or Meta, Snap, whatever is pure gold, and I’m pretty sure that’s not sold.

        Even when buying it - it’s literally digital gold, and probably just as expensive and you would buy american. So you’re spending a metric fuckton of money to buy the dataset and do the same, but worse analysis.

        I don’t know how it’s going in France, but Germany hasn’t managed to digitalize anything properly, and even the “flagship” projects are a fucking mess. Even though some of them work (by now), they don’t hold up to any serious quality, proven several times by the CCC for example. Germany would be literally the last I’d trust to build a system like this, unfortunately.

        And that’s not starting about the bureaucracy, potential laws that this would breach, and the backlash for ethical reasons.