Perhaps, they added, Apple could add a warning message when using the Control Panel toggles that alerts the user that tapping on its Bluetooth icon doesn’t completely shut off Bluetooth and their iPhone can still interact with proximity-activated beacons, such as Bochs’ contraption.
Apple will never do that because if enough people disable Bluetooth on their iOS devices, it’ll reduce the effectiveness of Apple’s Find My network.
I have little doubt that apple still uses things like wi-fi and bluetooth even if they are completely turned off. I complained when they made the change to the control panel. If I want bluetooth or wifi off, no button I push should turn it off partially or for “24 hours.”
It’s still running in low power mode when you turn the phone itself off so that I can still ping the Find My network. And it says this when you go to turn the phone off.
“They’re pretty open about that” doesn’t quite cut it, when I’ve seen examples in this lemmy post alone of people discovering the fact. We need removable batteries.
A removable battery wouldn’t do anything about it. They would just include a little unremovable CMOS battery that would be used to power the Bluetooth while the device is off or the main battery is removed.
The entire point of it is so that you can use Find My when the phone is off. If it’s lost, or stolen and they turn the phone off, it can still be found in Find My.
It’s not just that. When connected to an Apple Watch or Apple Pencil (for iPad) the quick toggle maintains these connections along with maintaining handoff and continuity functions between personal devices among other things. In these cases, I think having the quick toggle not fully disable Bluetooth makes more sense to prevent new connections while keeping the existing Watch and Pencil Bluetooth connections active to preserve functionality. Of course, I get that not everyone’s use case is the same, but I rarely need to fully disable the wireless radios. Particularly with Wi-Fi, I use the quick toggle to temporarily disconnect Wi-Fi if I’m on a bad connection away from home. When I return home or to my car (for wireless CarPlay), my phone will reconnect to the respective networks without me needing to remember to re-enable.
Apple will never do that because if enough people disable Bluetooth on their iOS devices, it’ll reduce the effectiveness of Apple’s Find My network.
I have little doubt that apple still uses things like wi-fi and bluetooth even if they are completely turned off. I complained when they made the change to the control panel. If I want bluetooth or wifi off, no button I push should turn it off partially or for “24 hours.”
Well yeah, they’re pretty open about that.
It’s still running in low power mode when you turn the phone itself off so that I can still ping the Find My network. And it says this when you go to turn the phone off.
“They’re pretty open about that” doesn’t quite cut it, when I’ve seen examples in this lemmy post alone of people discovering the fact. We need removable batteries.
A removable battery wouldn’t do anything about it. They would just include a little unremovable CMOS battery that would be used to power the Bluetooth while the device is off or the main battery is removed.
The entire point of it is so that you can use Find My when the phone is off. If it’s lost, or stolen and they turn the phone off, it can still be found in Find My.
It’s not just that. When connected to an Apple Watch or Apple Pencil (for iPad) the quick toggle maintains these connections along with maintaining handoff and continuity functions between personal devices among other things. In these cases, I think having the quick toggle not fully disable Bluetooth makes more sense to prevent new connections while keeping the existing Watch and Pencil Bluetooth connections active to preserve functionality. Of course, I get that not everyone’s use case is the same, but I rarely need to fully disable the wireless radios. Particularly with Wi-Fi, I use the quick toggle to temporarily disconnect Wi-Fi if I’m on a bad connection away from home. When I return home or to my car (for wireless CarPlay), my phone will reconnect to the respective networks without me needing to remember to re-enable.