The Debian project is engaging in a debate and vote on whether large language model (LLM) tools may be used in the development of Debian, its distribution-specific code, and the project’s website. The general resolution is currently being discussed leading into a vote on the subject.

  • Serinus
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    5 days ago

    LLMs are not going to replace a large number of people.

    But they are very helpful, especially in coding. If you’re not using LLMs in normal business development, you’re going to fall behind.

    It’s made me a significantly faster developer, largely that a lot of the tedious work feels less tedious, and my projects are more polished.

    You just can’t vibe too much or you’ll come out with an unmaintainable mess. There’s a difference between using these tools responsibly and just producing slop.

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      Everyone I work with who uses LLMs more than a little bit hasn’t gotten better at coding. They’ve just made bad code faster, with even less understanding.

      It’s something like a catch-22. The people smart enough to use them effectively don’t need to. The people who aren’t smart enough will misuse them.

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        5 days ago

        So you don’t code and you like pithy nonsense.

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          5 days ago

          I’m a professional software engineer. You seem to have drawn at least one nonsense conclusion

      • Serinus
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        5 days ago

        This isn’t tesseract. I’m allowed to have (professional, informed) opinions.

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            5 days ago

            Burn.

            Yeah, I don’t think worrying about 450 new CVEs in the Linux kernel each day made me any faster… Or my life as an admin more comfortable… This and fine-tuning all kinds of spam filters, securing web forms, protecting the servers which all get hammered by scrapers… I mean we got a lot to do because of AI. But it all feels kinda unproductive to me. Like the myth of Sisyphus. Bur maybe some admins and devs got quicker shoving the boulder around thanks to AI?!

            • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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              4 days ago

              Like the myth of Sisyphus

              And like the myth of Sisyphus, it’s all about self-inflicted pains.

              AI is more like placing a downwards conveyor belt under your feet on the mountain. You get a quicker result, but that result doesn’t have you going anywhere useful.

              • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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                3 days ago

                Wasn’t Sisyphus a clever rascal who evaded death, pissed off the Gods several times and that’s why he got punished? I think it was sacrilege, not really self-inflicted pain. Unless we want to count rebelling against powerful entities as inflicting something upon oneself 😄

                • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  3 days ago

                  I wouldn’t say he’s clever if he hasn’t yet realized he has access to a kinetic weapon against any town or settlement downhill that he has been fruitlessly charging and resetting for ages. At best, I’d say he probably has built up mad upper body strength.

        • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          4 days ago

          Weird how you don’t like Tesseract when it’s made by one of the admins you go to bat for and have removed several comments you disagree with.

          You’re just like Patrick.

    • HubertManne@piefed.social
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      5 days ago

      This feels like almost exactly like a comment I have seen before on llms. Are you cutting and pasting something?

      • Serinus
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        5 days ago

        Jesus Fucking Christ. Typing in full sentences does not make me an llm.