Pretty disingenuous post to be honest. Regardless of what one thinks of the wind bag.
His entire take is:
NYC ID for voting? Bad, horrible, not gonna happen.
NYC ID for buying discounted groceries? That’s logical, common sense, we must take measures to ensure only valid residents can partake.
Even the most staunch Musk hater has to be able to see what a precarious position things are in. Logically, it is impossible to honestly defend one stance while rejecting another. I hate that this seems like I’m defending him, but it is more like I’m imploring people to be intellectually honest and consistent with themselves so others don’t use them as tools in a bigger game.
People are already saying intellectually dishonest things like “voting is a right, the grocery store isn’t.” Then will have a post history that talks about food being a right, thereby confirming it is just more zero sum logic at play. Lots of words, but it all means nothing.
Plenty to strongly dislike about him. This ain’t even on the menu.
God you’re dumb, especially for calling your word vomit “intellectual honesty”
ID for voting is stupid. It is PROVEN that voter fraud is a non-issue, so voter ID laws pivot exist to disenfranchise voters.
On the other hand, as the mayor of a city, you can’t run subsidized or non-profit grocery stores for the whole state plus new jersey. It’s just not sustainable, especially not during the delicate early phases where any hiccup will be blown out of proportions by the media.
One is a provable non-issue, the other is a significant practical risk.
Oh yes… I forgot that no one from New Jersey or the area surrounding New York ever comes to New York 5-6 days a week for 8-12 hours… All those bridges are just for the architecture of it.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but I feel it should be pointed out for others. There is a distinct difference between “this thing SHOULD be a right” and “this thing IS a right.”
I believe access to food should be a right and will continue to support policies that lead to that goal. However, I also recognize that we are not there yet. Voting does have that level of protection, and I will fight like hell to defend it because voting supports the pathway for more rights like access to food.
You’re wrong, because you’re either lying or have been lied to about the voter ID measures.
The question has always been: if I don’t have an ID, can I still vote? IDs make it much easier to prove eligibility to vote, but is there a backup plan, a safety valve, for people who don’t have an ID on election day?
If you want to buy alcohol, there are legal ways to acquire alcohol without an ID, if you are actually of legal drinking age.
If you want to fly on an airplane, there are ways to get past TSA and get on an airplane without an ID. TSA only recently started charging a fee for this, but there’s always been a safety valve for people who want to fly but don’t have an ID on them. Otherwise, what would someone have to do if they were on vacation, lost their wallet, and wanted to come home?
Oh, and the actual proposal for the shopper card at the NYC grocery store won’t actually require proof of identity or proof of residency. So if the proposed voter ID laws were going to be equally loose, I don’t think there would be any opposition to a system by which a person who doesn’t have an ID could get one that day, at the polling site, in order to vote that day.
Pretty disingenuous post to be honest. Regardless of what one thinks of the wind bag. His entire take is: NYC ID for voting? Bad, horrible, not gonna happen. NYC ID for buying discounted groceries? That’s logical, common sense, we must take measures to ensure only valid residents can partake.
Even the most staunch Musk hater has to be able to see what a precarious position things are in. Logically, it is impossible to honestly defend one stance while rejecting another. I hate that this seems like I’m defending him, but it is more like I’m imploring people to be intellectually honest and consistent with themselves so others don’t use them as tools in a bigger game.
People are already saying intellectually dishonest things like “voting is a right, the grocery store isn’t.” Then will have a post history that talks about food being a right, thereby confirming it is just more zero sum logic at play. Lots of words, but it all means nothing.
Plenty to strongly dislike about him. This ain’t even on the menu.
God you’re dumb, especially for calling your word vomit “intellectual honesty”
ID for voting is stupid. It is PROVEN that voter fraud is a non-issue, so voter ID laws pivot exist to disenfranchise voters.
On the other hand, as the mayor of a city, you can’t run subsidized or non-profit grocery stores for the whole state plus new jersey. It’s just not sustainable, especially not during the delicate early phases where any hiccup will be blown out of proportions by the media.
One is a provable non-issue, the other is a significant practical risk.
Are there people who are going to drive into New York City just to save 30% on bread? Sure, some, but enough to be a problem?
Oh yes… I forgot that no one from New Jersey or the area surrounding New York ever comes to New York 5-6 days a week for 8-12 hours… All those bridges are just for the architecture of it.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but I feel it should be pointed out for others. There is a distinct difference between “this thing SHOULD be a right” and “this thing IS a right.”
I believe access to food should be a right and will continue to support policies that lead to that goal. However, I also recognize that we are not there yet. Voting does have that level of protection, and I will fight like hell to defend it because voting supports the pathway for more rights like access to food.
You’re wrong, because you’re either lying or have been lied to about the voter ID measures.
The question has always been: if I don’t have an ID, can I still vote? IDs make it much easier to prove eligibility to vote, but is there a backup plan, a safety valve, for people who don’t have an ID on election day?
If you want to buy alcohol, there are legal ways to acquire alcohol without an ID, if you are actually of legal drinking age.
If you want to fly on an airplane, there are ways to get past TSA and get on an airplane without an ID. TSA only recently started charging a fee for this, but there’s always been a safety valve for people who want to fly but don’t have an ID on them. Otherwise, what would someone have to do if they were on vacation, lost their wallet, and wanted to come home?
Oh, and the actual proposal for the shopper card at the NYC grocery store won’t actually require proof of identity or proof of residency. So if the proposed voter ID laws were going to be equally loose, I don’t think there would be any opposition to a system by which a person who doesn’t have an ID could get one that day, at the polling site, in order to vote that day.
ID for voting is pushed in order to discourage certain demographics from voting.
ID for grocery discounts is NOT pushed in order to discourage certain demographics from feeding themselves.
Do you think getting a library card and getting a passport are essentially the and process??