I think Canada, Iran and most of the rest of the world have figured out that Trump is six months away from being the lamest of ducks and two and a half years of being out of office entirely. Wait for the storm of insanity to pass and deal with the aftermath then.
The next President of the USA will definitely have to go on a serious suck butt tour to heal the damage this administration is causing…
Why? The forces behind MAGA and Trump have been part of most democracies their entire history. They percolate up every one in a while then disappear into the background noise until next time. McCarthyism looked like the end of the world as well just to disappear just as fast as it came about. Cults of personality rarely outlast the death or disgrace of the founder.
You’re talking as if MAGA will just disappear the moment Trump gets ousted. It won’t.
MAGA makes up the majority of the Republican party. And their criticism of Trump is not about democratic decline, rampant corruption or ICE, but about inflation, Iran and the general consensus that Trump is not being true to his word.
Far right influences have been steadily gaining ground within the Republican party for over two decades. And by this point the leading ideology within the party is anti-democratic, anti-free speech, racist and imperialist. There are no moderate Republicans just waiting backstage to steer their party back to the way it was.
Instead we have a whole cadre of ideologically motivated crazies who are more than able to carry the project further after Trump is finally ousted.
What do mean by majority? 51% is a hell of a lot different than 80%. I think much of MAGA is more populist than ideological. Some will disappear, some will follow the next populist to come a long and that populist could have different ideas that they latch on to. Compare the “tea party” of Ron Paul to the co-opted Tea Party that came later…
We’ve already seen that story. And Biden did make amends but didn’t remove all of the shitty things Trump did. And ultimately the US went back to Trump.
Maybe there might be a reasonable person as President in 2029. But even if that’s the case, we need to assume there will be another President like Trump (or worse) in 2033.
We have to consider the possibility that post-civil rights US was the outlier, not the norm. The US may be just reverting back to it’s true self, a violent nation dominated by racism.
Yeah, which is why people were pretty forgiving of Americans after Trump’s first term. People get scammed by a con man, just a bump in the road of democracy.
Then the idiots elected him again.
You can be fooled once, but then you’d expect people to learn. If you do it twice… well then we need to assume that Americans weren’t actually fooled by Trump. Trump represents who Americans really are. We should also assume Americans will elect someone like Trump (or worse) in the future. Americans are generally narcissistic assholes that can never admit they’re wrong. They generally believe in American superiority. So they vote in someone that represents that.
I assumed that after Jan 6, there was no possibility Trump could ever be elected again. That would require people who voted for Biden saw Trump try to throw out their votes, and then decide they would vote for Trump in the next election. There’s no way that could happen, right? But it did. So we all had to reconsider how we think of Americans after that.
Trump is the symptom of a much bigger problem. The US has a massive cultural problem. That’s not something that changes in one election cycle.
What electing Trump the second time exposed is that he is the real face of Americans, not some aberration. They care about ‘me, myself and I’ only. They only start to care about laws and policies if it negatively affects them personally. Even then, they will not do anything more than complain if anything more requires an ounce of work that might interfer with their online activities, gaming, watching sports, etc.
It’s definitely a possibility that can’t be discounted. The Civil Rights movement changed a lot of things and set the US on a path of cultural progress. A slow path, but it was going that way. Trump entered politics by saying by saying Obama wasn’t eligible to be President. There was some obvious bullshit about a birth certificate, but there’s the underlying meaning to it about a black man being ineligible to be President. A lot of people picked up on it and it’s like they became free to be themselves. Their racist hateful selves.
Trumpism is a rejection of all progress made in the Civil Rights movement and afterwards. So they’re going back to the way they were before.
To me, it’s the apathy towards this that’s most concerning. In every country there’s racist assholes, but in the US it seems they generally just accept that’s what their country is now, or believe that somehow the problem will just fix itself. They only seem to protest when social media tells them to protest, and social media is owned by Trump’s allies. The power these companies now know they have doesn’t bode well for this going away when Trump is gone. They’ll want to maintain their power by just bringing in some other racist asshole that appeals to the base instincts of Americans. Too many interests are lined up now for this to go away easily.
I think Canada, Iran and most of the rest of the world have figured out that Trump is six months away from being the lamest of ducks and two and a half years of being out of office entirely. Wait for the storm of insanity to pass and deal with the aftermath then.
The next President of the USA will definitely have to go on a serious suck butt tour to heal the damage this administration is causing…
This mentality that it will just be over after four years is driving me up the wall
Why? The forces behind MAGA and Trump have been part of most democracies their entire history. They percolate up every one in a while then disappear into the background noise until next time. McCarthyism looked like the end of the world as well just to disappear just as fast as it came about. Cults of personality rarely outlast the death or disgrace of the founder.
You’re talking as if MAGA will just disappear the moment Trump gets ousted. It won’t.
MAGA makes up the majority of the Republican party. And their criticism of Trump is not about democratic decline, rampant corruption or ICE, but about inflation, Iran and the general consensus that Trump is not being true to his word.
Far right influences have been steadily gaining ground within the Republican party for over two decades. And by this point the leading ideology within the party is anti-democratic, anti-free speech, racist and imperialist. There are no moderate Republicans just waiting backstage to steer their party back to the way it was.
Instead we have a whole cadre of ideologically motivated crazies who are more than able to carry the project further after Trump is finally ousted.
What do mean by majority? 51% is a hell of a lot different than 80%. I think much of MAGA is more populist than ideological. Some will disappear, some will follow the next populist to come a long and that populist could have different ideas that they latch on to. Compare the “tea party” of Ron Paul to the co-opted Tea Party that came later…
We’ve already seen that story. And Biden did make amends but didn’t remove all of the shitty things Trump did. And ultimately the US went back to Trump.
Maybe there might be a reasonable person as President in 2029. But even if that’s the case, we need to assume there will be another President like Trump (or worse) in 2033.
We have to consider the possibility that post-civil rights US was the outlier, not the norm. The US may be just reverting back to it’s true self, a violent nation dominated by racism.
True of all democracies. Canada has it’s share of fruitcakes and could suffer a similar insanity and elect one…
Yeah, which is why people were pretty forgiving of Americans after Trump’s first term. People get scammed by a con man, just a bump in the road of democracy.
Then the idiots elected him again.
You can be fooled once, but then you’d expect people to learn. If you do it twice… well then we need to assume that Americans weren’t actually fooled by Trump. Trump represents who Americans really are. We should also assume Americans will elect someone like Trump (or worse) in the future. Americans are generally narcissistic assholes that can never admit they’re wrong. They generally believe in American superiority. So they vote in someone that represents that.
I assumed that after Jan 6, there was no possibility Trump could ever be elected again. That would require people who voted for Biden saw Trump try to throw out their votes, and then decide they would vote for Trump in the next election. There’s no way that could happen, right? But it did. So we all had to reconsider how we think of Americans after that.
Trump is the symptom of a much bigger problem. The US has a massive cultural problem. That’s not something that changes in one election cycle.
What electing Trump the second time exposed is that he is the real face of Americans, not some aberration. They care about ‘me, myself and I’ only. They only start to care about laws and policies if it negatively affects them personally. Even then, they will not do anything more than complain if anything more requires an ounce of work that might interfer with their online activities, gaming, watching sports, etc.
It’s definitely a possibility that can’t be discounted. The Civil Rights movement changed a lot of things and set the US on a path of cultural progress. A slow path, but it was going that way. Trump entered politics by saying by saying Obama wasn’t eligible to be President. There was some obvious bullshit about a birth certificate, but there’s the underlying meaning to it about a black man being ineligible to be President. A lot of people picked up on it and it’s like they became free to be themselves. Their racist hateful selves.
Trumpism is a rejection of all progress made in the Civil Rights movement and afterwards. So they’re going back to the way they were before.
To me, it’s the apathy towards this that’s most concerning. In every country there’s racist assholes, but in the US it seems they generally just accept that’s what their country is now, or believe that somehow the problem will just fix itself. They only seem to protest when social media tells them to protest, and social media is owned by Trump’s allies. The power these companies now know they have doesn’t bode well for this going away when Trump is gone. They’ll want to maintain their power by just bringing in some other racist asshole that appeals to the base instincts of Americans. Too many interests are lined up now for this to go away easily.