My idea is to put up as many renewable energy gatherers devices as safely possible. Sure it’ll look bad for a while, bit once we have unlimited amount of energy we will come back with better looking, more efficient devices. Line every sunny sidewalk with solar panels and open fields with wind turbines. Sorry about your view for right now. But it’ll look better in 50 years, especially if we can start to start to slow down climate change
What you’re doing there is the bidding of those in power by shifting responsibility away from them and on to individuals just trying to survive (and yes, give in to the literal constant propaganda).
We wouldn’t be consuming all that shit if there wasn’t someone making shitloads of money from selling it to us.
Blame them.
Stop buying their bull shit and they will go out of business
lmfao tell me you don’t know shit about how capitalism works without saying you don’t know shit about how capitalism works.
The problem with your brand of bullshit is that it isn’t just ignorant, but as I said before - you’re actively playing for the rich and powerful by joining in with their bullshit distraction and shifting of responsibility so that they can keep hoarding and spending more money that you could possibly even fathom.
You’re not just being a part of the problem for the rest of us, which you clearly don’t care about, but you’re also shooting yourself in the foot, which you probably can’t feel because you’re too busy licking boot.
just to maybe say what that other person said in a different way:
carbon isn’t emitted at the point of consumption, it’s emitted at the point of production. if you don’t buy a new phone or a plastic toy the carbon from its production doesn’t go away it’s already been released.
and before i say this next part i want to stress that boycotts don’t work except when paired with other more militant movements.
if you and everyone else stops buying a new phone or a plastic toy then the factory doesn’t close down and get rehabilitated, it changes hands and the new owners make something with less environmental exposure, like plastic pipes or mine detonator circuit boards.
the way to stop our emissions is at the point of production globally, not at the point of consumption individually.
What happened to circuit board assembly volume after people stopped buying blackberry phones? Cell phone ownership? Smart phone ownership?
The same plants that made rim components are making components for the phones we have now and production has increased. The mines that extracted coltan, copper, gold, oil and many more raw materials used in the manufacture of rim devices are still operating and total global production has increased.
Removing one product of a complex supply chain will not cause that chain to go slack. The market will find a place to sell its output and if there isn’t one it will manufacture it. If there isn’t demand it will manufacture that too.
We cannot stop emission at the point of consumption.
I didn’t say anything about a militant movement at the point of production (although I think it will be required when we tell the people making billions that the factory has to shut down or shift to something less profitable). What I said was that boycotts don’t work unless paired with a militant movement, which is borne out by the few examples of boycotts involved in successful struggles (Montgomery, arguably bds, etc.).
Fossil fuels needed to be the embarrassing, temporary stopgap to renewables and nuclear… instead we shut our eyes and ears and told ourselves it would meet all our needs. We should have started connecting the planet with railways fifty years ago in preparation for cleaner energy. Cars ought to be as unnecessary and shameful as private jets, and freight shouldn’t exist if it can’t be done very cleanly… I suppose hindsight is 20/20 but we’re not at a point where we can make any of those transitions without huge amounts of pain now.
@bob_wiley@UrPartnerInCrime this is all the news talks about. It was British Petroleum that originally coined the phrase ‘carbon footprint’ so people could calculate their individual climate impact. News cycles have eaten it up for decades since:
My idea is to put up as many renewable energy gatherers devices as safely possible. Sure it’ll look bad for a while, bit once we have unlimited amount of energy we will come back with better looking, more efficient devices. Line every sunny sidewalk with solar panels and open fields with wind turbines. Sorry about your view for right now. But it’ll look better in 50 years, especially if we can start to start to slow down climate change
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What you’re doing there is the bidding of those in power by shifting responsibility away from them and on to individuals just trying to survive (and yes, give in to the literal constant propaganda).
We wouldn’t be consuming all that shit if there wasn’t someone making shitloads of money from selling it to us.
Blame them.
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lmfao tell me you don’t know shit about how capitalism works without saying you don’t know shit about how capitalism works.
The problem with your brand of bullshit is that it isn’t just ignorant, but as I said before - you’re actively playing for the rich and powerful by joining in with their bullshit distraction and shifting of responsibility so that they can keep hoarding and spending more money that you could possibly even fathom.
You’re not just being a part of the problem for the rest of us, which you clearly don’t care about, but you’re also shooting yourself in the foot, which you probably can’t feel because you’re too busy licking boot.
Try educating yourself instead:
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2022/01/31/climate-change-fossil-fuel-industry-individual-responsibility
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/30/capitalism-is-killing-the-planet-its-time-to-stop-buying-into-our-own-destruction
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/individuals-climate-crisis-government-planet-priority
There is no need for personnal attacks when someone is wrong.
just to maybe say what that other person said in a different way:
carbon isn’t emitted at the point of consumption, it’s emitted at the point of production. if you don’t buy a new phone or a plastic toy the carbon from its production doesn’t go away it’s already been released.
and before i say this next part i want to stress that boycotts don’t work except when paired with other more militant movements.
if you and everyone else stops buying a new phone or a plastic toy then the factory doesn’t close down and get rehabilitated, it changes hands and the new owners make something with less environmental exposure, like plastic pipes or mine detonator circuit boards.
the way to stop our emissions is at the point of production globally, not at the point of consumption individually.
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What happened to circuit board assembly volume after people stopped buying blackberry phones? Cell phone ownership? Smart phone ownership?
The same plants that made rim components are making components for the phones we have now and production has increased. The mines that extracted coltan, copper, gold, oil and many more raw materials used in the manufacture of rim devices are still operating and total global production has increased.
Removing one product of a complex supply chain will not cause that chain to go slack. The market will find a place to sell its output and if there isn’t one it will manufacture it. If there isn’t demand it will manufacture that too.
We cannot stop emission at the point of consumption.
I didn’t say anything about a militant movement at the point of production (although I think it will be required when we tell the people making billions that the factory has to shut down or shift to something less profitable). What I said was that boycotts don’t work unless paired with a militant movement, which is borne out by the few examples of boycotts involved in successful struggles (Montgomery, arguably bds, etc.).
Fossil fuels needed to be the embarrassing, temporary stopgap to renewables and nuclear… instead we shut our eyes and ears and told ourselves it would meet all our needs. We should have started connecting the planet with railways fifty years ago in preparation for cleaner energy. Cars ought to be as unnecessary and shameful as private jets, and freight shouldn’t exist if it can’t be done very cleanly… I suppose hindsight is 20/20 but we’re not at a point where we can make any of those transitions without huge amounts of pain now.
@bob_wiley @UrPartnerInCrime this is all the news talks about. It was British Petroleum that originally coined the phrase ‘carbon footprint’ so people could calculate their individual climate impact. News cycles have eaten it up for decades since:
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/07/21/carbon-footprint-big-oil