Today has been especially bad, and was inspired sadly by about 6 straight posts of only negativity here.
I want to say that being negative towards something is not a bad thing, it’s very valid to critique things. However, a community becomes toxic when the majority of it’s content is negative.
Gaming is an obvious one. It’s very obvious all around the internet that gaming communities are negative generally, and Lemmy certainly takes the cake. In the case of GTA 6 coming out this month we can (and have) had multiple stories about Rockstar’s unethical practices, the pricing, ownership, and to be clear I agree with all of it. However, there is also valid positive things that people want to discuss but are immediately downvoted to hell, or have comments brigaded on with responses like “Don’t you know about X, Y, or Z??”
I’ve been in comment threads where people have told me that they are afraid to post here because of the responses they might get. Now this is absolutely true everywhere, and we will often respond “You just have to tune them out” but the scales are shifting to the majority of responses are negative.
New users will not simply block/tune out the majority of commenters. New users will see that a community is toxic and turn around and go back to where they felt it was better.
This is the root of my frustration - that Lemmy is no longer a geeky place where people can talk about Star Trek and Linux - but that it’s becoming a toxic place where if you aren’t talking about why Star Trek and Linux are the only good things on the planet that it should be called out over and over.
Worse is that the scales a tipping to simply being “If it is popular, it is not good” which is a huge red flag for toxic community. To be clear it does not mean that if something is popular that it must be good, but instead we are falling for the same trap that is on corporate social media.
Anger and toxicity are fun, they are dopamine hits. So when there’s a huge post about <<popular thing>> and everyone dogpiles, everyone has that dopamine hit and it spreads, and it makes people want to dogpile more. Unfortunately I think this has left individual posts, and this is now driving a large part of our comment sections, that people feel included when they are all dogpiling on a popular thing. It’s addictive.
It’s incessant and exhausting being here some days.
Some examples to think on:
- Harry Potter fans (who have already said they will not buy anything from Rowling again and are aware) who still want to enjoy the books/movies they already own, but are shouted down and downvoted
- Sports fans posting about football, to have jokes about “sportsball” made to them.
- (Is that really any different from nerds being made fun of by jocks in highschool, only this is in reverse and worse yet, we’re supposedly more mature now?)
- Freaking pumpkin spice. The world is on fire and people get a tiny bit of joy out of cinnamon and allspice, can we let them just enjoy that?!
I think that sums it all up, I wish people could just enjoy things here without having the majority of comments be about why they shouldn’t enjoy it. I think this attitude has already lost of a good chunk of users who could be adding to the fediverse, instead now back on corporate social media.
It’s anecdotal but I’ve shown the fediverse to 3 other people who are trekkie nerds like me. They gave up in less than a week not because the fediverse was complicated, but because they felt like they weren’t wanted here.
Be the positive change, be encouraging. Don’t belittle for someone for liking a popular thing if you like something more obscure, instead post about obscure thing and why you like it and share it! Inform users of things like Rowlings insane shit-headery, but don’t demean them for still enjoying the books. If you don’t like sports that’s cool, but let them cheer on their team.
Thanks for listening. I’m going to have a pumpkin spice latte now.
I am using the voting buttons as intended. For some reason that triggers you. Idk why you’re so convinced you’re right, but you have yet to give anything other than your opinion to justify it. Give a source of some kind to prove it, and others might agree. I know the source “I made it the fuck up,” is really hard to source properly, but do try.
Edit- Yes, you objectively are wrong.
I’m not entirely sure why you’re appealing to authority to make your point. Just because you’re following the guidelines established by Lemmy regarding how people should vote doesn’t make you right. It doesn’t even mean the guidelines themselves are correct. In fact, they’re called guidelines for a reason. They’re not hard rules.
I don’t need to provide you with a citation to justify my position. I’ve laid out my argument, point by point. What I don’t understand is why you continue to refuse to actually address it.
You’re not objectively correct simply because you adhere to what you believe is the letter of the rule, particularly when there isn’t even an actual rule to begin with.
Let me spell this out for you one more time: What you personally like or dislike is irrelevant. The spirit of the voting system is to evaluate whether the content and context of a post are appropriate for the community, not whether you personally agree with or enjoy what’s being said.
Do you understand the distinction between the letter and the spirit of something?
Furthermore, I’ve explained how voting based on emotional reactions and subjective personal experiences contributes to making this platform more toxic and exacerbates the bandwagon effect that is already so prevalent here.
And that’s precisely what’s happening right now. People are voting on our conversation in exactly the same way you are. They’re not agreeing with me because you’ve objectively demonstrated that you’re correct. They’re agreeing with you because they’re emotionally invested in your position and reacting accordingly. That doesn’t make your argument any more valid, nor does it make mine any less valid. If anything, it reinforces the very point I’ve been making throughout this entire exchange.
Literally, you are the problem.
You haven’t made a point- you’ve been on an indignant rant to someone that doesn’t care.
Exactly how I feel about you.
Lol. Yeah… I don’t care. Sure, whatever you say, bud.
Useless. Why is it that none of you ever actually concede a point? You haven’t addressed a single thing I’ve said at any level. You don’t even make any actual assertions or provide any arguments. You simply declare that I’m objectively wrong, offer absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim, and move on as though you’ve somehow established that you’re correct.
If you wanted to, would you actually be capable of refuting what I’m saying?
Cry to someone that cares 😢