Don’t know about USA, but in Germany the inflationary use of “Nazi” by leftists weakened the term a lot. So if someone is called a Nazi, you don’t have to assume anymore it’s a bad person. I believe it will be impossible to turn that back.
Ah yes being sceptical of a random online photo is clearly the same as being skeptical. You need to work on your bots ai as it foesnt seem very good at responding to context
Right so you arent responding to this conversation. If you were you would have the context needed to understand and not make insert bot upset claims and hyperbolic strawmam claims
You can go down the reply chain and check. There’s no image here in this comment chain. In the future, since you apparently cannot distinguish between multiple conversations, you should probably stick to replying to one person.
Yeah. It is. When someone does the Nazi salute in public, they are telling you who they are, and you should believe them.
The previous sentiment goes for anyone. When they clearly tell you, through actions not words, who they are, you would be wise to believe them. It is extremely rare that someone intentionally acts against their own personal interests at the time of their actions. They may unknowingly do so, such as by voting for Nazis, but rarely do they do so intentionally.
The party is full of (Neo)Nazis, even in high ranks; one of them may even officially be called Nazi. Their whole program and style is essentially NSDAP playbook.
The most nazi thing in the links you provided were the government banning certain slogans.
What is your definition of nazi as that will probably explain a few things.
You had use of a banned slogan. A nazi accusation, party memeber leaving due to claims of right wing infiltration.
None of that is evidence of them being nazi’s. Sus for sure but pretty weak.
I just did another quick google search regarding the somewhat recent arrests from that attempted coup. Albeit they were former members of the party so i guess too extreme for the AFD. And well not very competent or numerous.
They are against immigrants, want to suppress freedom, want to separate kids with disabilities from other kids in schools, etc.
They not just tolerate but supports Nazis like Höcke, who btw. told an inteviewer once that once he’s in power, the interviewer will regret asking those questions.
I mean sure, we can pretend that they are not as bad as the NSDAP was back then and do the same thing we did with the NSDAP: giving them power. But then we will just end up with the next Nazi government like last time. I would prefer not to.
Not a nazi thing. Lot of governments are. While not the most economically beneficial it is a countries right to want them or not.
want to suppress freedom,
They have a government that banns slogans/free speech.
Is the current german government nazi’s?/facist?
By all means it can make them tyrannical or authotarian but doesnt make them nazi’s unless said limitation of freedom is based
On control of everything inside the state
Nothing aganist the state
And nothing outside the state.
Then yeah thats Grade A nazi’s
want to separate kids with disabilities from other kids in schools,
If they are coming at it from an ubermensch angle then yeah sure. Depending on the disability there is plenty of valid reasons to want seperate classes. Personal example is that we have a special ed class for kids that are on the spectrum that makes them incompatible with other students or larger classes. But im guessing its not something reasonable like that.
etc. They not just tolerate but supports Nazis like Höcke, who btw. told an inteviewer once that once he’s in power, the interviewer will regret asking those questions
As scum of the earrh journalists can be. Not a good choice of words as a politician.
I agree it used to mean actual, armband wearing, genocide creating, goose stepping evil people that started WWII.
Yes today there are still people who somehow support that shit with the books, flags, tats and armbands to prove it. There is a term for it. Neo Nazi. If you want Nazis to punch these are it, though it might not make them any less of one.
Now by that standard is Trump a Nazi? No. But some throw the term around to essentially mean group=bad. The left crazies do it with nazi, the right crazies do it with communism. Over time it loses meaning to the point where nobody takes it seriously. Boy who cried wolf. The way to stop that is to only use the term on the real people, not the kinda sorta if you squint your eyes it’s similar in a way people. Not to say they they aren’t assholes or don’t deserve to be called out by other terms…
Anyway yes people hate the real deal Nazis, but probably not every group someone on twitter slaps that label on to. End rant.
Trump may not be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi, as those are extremely specific subsets of Fascism. Trump is an authoritarian fascist. His TV series proved that well before his second or third presidential campaign.
I agree. But he’s also not “actual Hitler” as many have said over the years. It’s different levels of asshole and I wish people had more nuance is my point
Idk, he wanted to order the military to go in with weapons blazing at blm protesters. Defended those who marched and chanted in Charlottesville that “Jews! Will not! Replace us!”
He may not have the name hitler, but he seems to love that stuff. Oh yeah and covered up (has something to do with?) Kashoggi being quartered, alive when he himself couldn’t listen to the tapes of the sounds of agony. What exactly would earn him “Nazi” status, in your view?
Also terms like “grammar Nazi” is helping to weaken the seriousness of the word.
In Denmark people sometimes use it to say that somebody is quite particular about something (similar to “grammar Nazi”) like " yeah, he’s kinda Nazi about people not wearing shoes in his apartment" I don’t know if that’s common in other countries too? But it’s definitely weakening the gravity of the word 'nazi".
Similer circumstance in russia. Where everyone bad and aganist russia is a nazi. Ukraine needing dezafication. Etc since from their perspective its only ever been Nazi’s they had no red scare since they were the red scare
And what! Is wrong with Zafication?!?! I’ll tell you something, if you’ve got a problem with Zafis, then you’ve got a problem with me! I suggest you think about that! /j
And I’m here wondering if Godwin’s idea came because he saw something like this and wanted to stop it or if he saw an opportunity to silence criticism of Nazi-like strategies.
And I’m not sure if I should be happy or sad that we’re in a post-Godwin world now. On the one hand, it was a dumb “rule” because there’s certainly times where Nazi comparisons are apt. But on the other hand, we only got post-Godwin because Nazi ideas have regained enough popularity that some are openly embracing the label.
It’s exactly the same here in the US. Anyone right of Bernie Sandars was called a Nazi for a few years there (happens less today, but still happens), so now when someone shouts nazi, everyone just rolls their eyes.
I don’t roll my eyes, I just ask what precisely they mean when they say Nazi, and usually precisely what they mean by whatever word they use in that response with a flexible definition. Because it could literally be anything between “murder anyone who isn’t straight, white and Christian” and “not as progressive as Biden”.
I mean, he essentially campaigned and won on not being Trump. He’s been competent enough in office though.
“Inoffensively competent” is about the highest praise I’d give him, and it’s deeply sad that that’s a substantial improvement over his predecessor.
I’ll give Trump that not everything he did in office was terrible - he did sign the FIRST STEP Act which was broadly a good thing, and I approved of the Devos Title IX policy changes, and that’s about it.
Didn’t Chris Matthews have a meltdown during the 2020 primaries when Bernie won Nevada, because he thought the DSA was going to round people up and execute them in Central Park?
Don’t know about USA, but in Germany the inflationary use of “Nazi” by leftists weakened the term a lot. So if someone is called a Nazi, you don’t have to assume anymore it’s a bad person. I believe it will be impossible to turn that back.
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_creep and https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aap8731
Excited to hear more about the big leftist media outlets that have dominated Germany for the last sixty years.
Damn this mf spittin.
Ahhh is it a US type situation over there as well? Nothing but right wing media in sight. At least when talking about all mainstream media.
Yes, that’s definitely what it sounds like and totally not people who thought they would get punched for being a Nazi coming out because now they realize Nazism is more tolerated than they thought it was
More tolerated? Let me know when the nazi’s win an election
Braydox on his way to the camps: “Okay, but they haven’t actually killed us yet, so are they really Nazis?”
It’s awfully convenient that your criteria for “Are Nazis a problem” is “Have they already won”
Ah yes being sceptical of a random online photo is clearly the same as being skeptical. You need to work on your bots ai as it foesnt seem very good at responding to context
You: “Let me know when the nazi’s win an election”
Me: “It’s awfully convenient that your criteria for “Are Nazis a problem” is “Have they already won””
Don’t see where a ‘random online photo’ comes into it, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect too much of enlightened centrists who carry water for Nazis.
Right so you arent responding to this conversation. If you were you would have the context needed to understand and not make insert bot upset claims and hyperbolic strawmam claims
You can go down the reply chain and check. There’s no image here in this comment chain. In the future, since you apparently cannot distinguish between multiple conversations, you should probably stick to replying to one person.
It was just below this comment but Ok.
As for you. Your not a person. Dont be getting self aware on me now.
https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/Y1OWZzktKjBi021FPDNKZS_nsso=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6OKFQFGQ5QKQ7YS66UWXCB2QNQ.jpg
Here’s a photo from the Republican National Convention
Ah perfect evidence.
Yeah. It is. When someone does the Nazi salute in public, they are telling you who they are, and you should believe them.
The previous sentiment goes for anyone. When they clearly tell you, through actions not words, who they are, you would be wise to believe them. It is extremely rare that someone intentionally acts against their own personal interests at the time of their actions. They may unknowingly do so, such as by voting for Nazis, but rarely do they do so intentionally.
No its not. Its a screenshot devoid of context.
How long have you been on the internet that you are given an image and take that image at face value?
I saw the video, which had context. She brazenly did a Nazi salute, and you are sealioning, which indicates that you’re a Nazi sympathizer.
Its amazing what context can do when you have it.
Let me introduce you to the AfD that already occupy a few local constituencies.
By all means a quick google seaech tells me they are cringe but not nazi’s
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/anklage-gegen-thueringer-afd-chef-bjoern-hoecke-wegen-ns-vokabular-li.355905
https://www.stern.de/amp/politik/deutschland/afd-aussteigerin---die-nazis-in-der-partei-stoeren-die-leute-nicht-mehr--33744578.html
https://www.hessenschau.de/politik/demonstranten-duerfen-afd-politiker-bjoern-hoecke-als-nazi-bezeichnen-v1,ermittlungen-hoecke-ist-ein-nazi-eingesellt-100.html
https://taz.de/AfD-Parteitag-in-Magdeburg/!5947746/
The party is full of (Neo)Nazis, even in high ranks; one of them may even officially be called Nazi. Their whole program and style is essentially NSDAP playbook.
The most nazi thing in the links you provided were the government banning certain slogans.
What is your definition of nazi as that will probably explain a few things.
You had use of a banned slogan. A nazi accusation, party memeber leaving due to claims of right wing infiltration.
None of that is evidence of them being nazi’s. Sus for sure but pretty weak.
I just did another quick google search regarding the somewhat recent arrests from that attempted coup. Albeit they were former members of the party so i guess too extreme for the AFD. And well not very competent or numerous.
But thats kinda something.
https://www.google.com/search?q=afd+party+arrests&oq=afd+party+arrests&aqs=chrome..69i57.5059j0j7&client=ms-android-gotron&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
They are against immigrants, want to suppress freedom, want to separate kids with disabilities from other kids in schools, etc. They not just tolerate but supports Nazis like Höcke, who btw. told an inteviewer once that once he’s in power, the interviewer will regret asking those questions.
I mean sure, we can pretend that they are not as bad as the NSDAP was back then and do the same thing we did with the NSDAP: giving them power. But then we will just end up with the next Nazi government like last time. I would prefer not to.
They are against immigrants,
Not a nazi thing. Lot of governments are. While not the most economically beneficial it is a countries right to want them or not.
want to suppress freedom,
They have a government that banns slogans/free speech.
Is the current german government nazi’s?/facist?
By all means it can make them tyrannical or authotarian but doesnt make them nazi’s unless said limitation of freedom is based
On control of everything inside the state Nothing aganist the state And nothing outside the state.
Then yeah thats Grade A nazi’s
want to separate kids with disabilities from other kids in schools,
If they are coming at it from an ubermensch angle then yeah sure. Depending on the disability there is plenty of valid reasons to want seperate classes. Personal example is that we have a special ed class for kids that are on the spectrum that makes them incompatible with other students or larger classes. But im guessing its not something reasonable like that.
etc. They not just tolerate but supports Nazis like Höcke, who btw. told an inteviewer once that once he’s in power, the interviewer will regret asking those questions
As scum of the earrh journalists can be. Not a good choice of words as a politician.
I agree it used to mean actual, armband wearing, genocide creating, goose stepping evil people that started WWII.
Yes today there are still people who somehow support that shit with the books, flags, tats and armbands to prove it. There is a term for it. Neo Nazi. If you want Nazis to punch these are it, though it might not make them any less of one.
Now by that standard is Trump a Nazi? No. But some throw the term around to essentially mean group=bad. The left crazies do it with nazi, the right crazies do it with communism. Over time it loses meaning to the point where nobody takes it seriously. Boy who cried wolf. The way to stop that is to only use the term on the real people, not the kinda sorta if you squint your eyes it’s similar in a way people. Not to say they they aren’t assholes or don’t deserve to be called out by other terms…
Anyway yes people hate the real deal Nazis, but probably not every group someone on twitter slaps that label on to. End rant.
Trump may not be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi, as those are extremely specific subsets of Fascism. Trump is an authoritarian fascist. His TV series proved that well before his second or third presidential campaign.
I agree. But he’s also not “actual Hitler” as many have said over the years. It’s different levels of asshole and I wish people had more nuance is my point
Idk, he wanted to order the military to go in with weapons blazing at blm protesters. Defended those who marched and chanted in Charlottesville that “Jews! Will not! Replace us!”
He may not have the name hitler, but he seems to love that stuff. Oh yeah and covered up (has something to do with?) Kashoggi being quartered, alive when he himself couldn’t listen to the tapes of the sounds of agony. What exactly would earn him “Nazi” status, in your view?
It’s almost as if there’sa term for right wing authoritarianism/authoritarianism, isn’t it?
Also terms like “grammar Nazi” is helping to weaken the seriousness of the word.
In Denmark people sometimes use it to say that somebody is quite particular about something (similar to “grammar Nazi”) like " yeah, he’s kinda Nazi about people not wearing shoes in his apartment" I don’t know if that’s common in other countries too? But it’s definitely weakening the gravity of the word 'nazi".
Similer circumstance in russia. Where everyone bad and aganist russia is a nazi. Ukraine needing dezafication. Etc since from their perspective its only ever been Nazi’s they had no red scare since they were the red scare
And what! Is wrong with Zafication?!?! I’ll tell you something, if you’ve got a problem with Zafis, then you’ve got a problem with me! I suggest you think about that! /j
Damn zafi’s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY
And I’m here wondering if Godwin’s idea came because he saw something like this and wanted to stop it or if he saw an opportunity to silence criticism of Nazi-like strategies.
And I’m not sure if I should be happy or sad that we’re in a post-Godwin world now. On the one hand, it was a dumb “rule” because there’s certainly times where Nazi comparisons are apt. But on the other hand, we only got post-Godwin because Nazi ideas have regained enough popularity that some are openly embracing the label.
I see facist pedophiles who are also extremely racist against non whites daily in Montana. Is that a Nazi?
Anyone who apologizes for Nazi ideologies is a Nazi. They are spreaders of the Nazi intellectual contagion.
Never forget.
Just FYI, it’s fascist
Just FYI, it’s fascist
Was supposed to be racist child molesters. Will edit. Not that racism and fascism isn’t the same.
It’s exactly the same here in the US. Anyone right of Bernie Sandars was called a Nazi for a few years there (happens less today, but still happens), so now when someone shouts nazi, everyone just rolls their eyes.
I don’t roll my eyes, I just ask what precisely they mean when they say Nazi, and usually precisely what they mean by whatever word they use in that response with a flexible definition. Because it could literally be anything between “murder anyone who isn’t straight, white and Christian” and “not as progressive as Biden”.
To be fair, basically the best thing we can say about Biden is that he’s not a Nazi.
I mean, he essentially campaigned and won on not being Trump. He’s been competent enough in office though.
“Inoffensively competent” is about the highest praise I’d give him, and it’s deeply sad that that’s a substantial improvement over his predecessor.
I’ll give Trump that not everything he did in office was terrible - he did sign the FIRST STEP Act which was broadly a good thing, and I approved of the Devos Title IX policy changes, and that’s about it.
Biden isn’t progressive. He’s kind of socially left and economically right.
Ramifications of failures from education systems throughout the U.S.
Can’t be surprised that no one articulates themselves properly when the only things most of these people read are less than 150 characters at a time.
Didn’t Chris Matthews have a meltdown during the 2020 primaries when Bernie won Nevada, because he thought the DSA was going to round people up and execute them in Central Park?
It also happens the other way: Sanders, Cortez are called socialists, and even refer to themselves as socialist. Neither are anything of the sort.