No, when it comes to “trans women”.
Someone needing to have “information” to know someones gender is the whole point. They’re trying to say you have to ignore your own eyes and intelligence and believe some made up story instead.
So you are saying you must constantly remind yourself and everyone you are talking to of someone’s genitals at birth in every conversation you have constantly or else what - you’ll forget?
Are you a goldfish?
People aren’t asking you to ignore your eyes dude. They are asking you to allow people space to use their mental tools so they can more easily get through their day. They are legit telling their friends and the people they are around most what way to treat them will make them happiest to make them the most comfortable to be themselves. When you present yourself as a obstacle to someone else’s joy and/or wellbeing yeah, people treat you like an ass. You are not the arbiter of truth here. People know that trans women were born phenotypicly male. They are just able to prioritize more than “monkey see, monkey speak”.
The case in point here is a photo. I have no idea about their genitals, nor what they “identify as”. I see a woman, clear as day. I’m not talking to them, so “what they want me to call them” is not an issue.
Are you deluded enough to call Buck Angel a woman too?
I’ll give you some credit for choosing to use gender neutral pronouns rather than misgendering Page - even if it would have undermined your point to use gendered pronouns.
So you are afraid of doing any mental work. Not surprised. Also this particular person, Elliot Page, is one of the most famous trans men out there and even if he weren’t famous you are grandstanding about how you want to call trans people whatever you feel like.
When you are nasty behind someone’s back it’s still you showing off how much of a mean killjoy you are practicing up to be to somebody’s face someday and that you are proud of being a mean ass killjoy. Then you get upset because ta da - people treat you like a mean killjoy. How unpredictable!
See any issue with your idea that you should let “what people tell you” override your own intelligence? Must not have too much of it if you are in favor of that.
I don’t see that point anywhere mate. I do enjoy the irony in your last sentence though, you’re so intelligent that you incorrectly accused a group of people of misgendering someone.
Anyway this clearly leads nowhere good, just try and have a think about it buddy :) x
You could always avoid thinking about it and just defer to the dictionary definition of gender, common fucking decency, and the visual and social cues presented to you rather than making assumptions about peoples genitals and genetics - or worse yet, demanding to inspect them for yourself.
Putting aside the fact that the consensus of the experts in the fields of lexicograpy, medicine, science, sociology, psychiatry all disagree with you, I need to ask why you’re motivated to work so hard to be such a cunt to people? What does it benefit you? When was the last time you interacted with a trans person… or have you been beaten into a hateful frenzy by the scaremongering of your reactionary pundits of choice over an issue that has no meaningful effect on your life?
No, it’s got nothing to do with me. Disagreeing with the consensus of the experts to be a cunt to a marginalised group makes you a bad person. I’d present clear evidence from each of the communities I pointed to, but we both know I’m not reasoning you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into. It’s not as though you have any credible evidence to bring in return.
…which brings me to what I’m more interested in - you didn’t answer my question, champ - why are you working so hard to be so wrong and such a cunt at the same time?
Edit…
Eh - in the interests of getting my question answered I’ll indulge you.
Cambridge dictionary - gender: a group of people in a society who share particular qualities or ways of behaving which that society associates with being male, female, or another identity
Merriam-Webster - gender: a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
Rather than putting you through the indignity of failing to provide evidence to support your position after being proven definitionally wrong, you can just answer my question (I bolded it to keep things simple for you).
Lol the “experts”. I’m sure you’ve never even heard of the “expert” who started this whole thing in the first place, John Money. A really nice man who only had the best of intentions. I dare you to look him up.
You haven’t even answered a single point I’ve made, just whatabouted every reply. Surely you at least see the irony of pointing out the irony of me telling you to think?
Do take care though, watch out for pointy things etc. :) x
No, when it comes to “trans women”. Someone needing to have “information” to know someones gender is the whole point. They’re trying to say you have to ignore your own eyes and intelligence and believe some made up story instead.
So you are saying you must constantly remind yourself and everyone you are talking to of someone’s genitals at birth in every conversation you have constantly or else what - you’ll forget?
Are you a goldfish?
People aren’t asking you to ignore your eyes dude. They are asking you to allow people space to use their mental tools so they can more easily get through their day. They are legit telling their friends and the people they are around most what way to treat them will make them happiest to make them the most comfortable to be themselves. When you present yourself as a obstacle to someone else’s joy and/or wellbeing yeah, people treat you like an ass. You are not the arbiter of truth here. People know that trans women were born phenotypicly male. They are just able to prioritize more than “monkey see, monkey speak”.
The case in point here is a photo. I have no idea about their genitals, nor what they “identify as”. I see a woman, clear as day. I’m not talking to them, so “what they want me to call them” is not an issue.
Are you deluded enough to call Buck Angel a woman too?
I’ll give you some credit for choosing to use gender neutral pronouns rather than misgendering Page - even if it would have undermined your point to use gendered pronouns.
So you are afraid of doing any mental work. Not surprised. Also this particular person, Elliot Page, is one of the most famous trans men out there and even if he weren’t famous you are grandstanding about how you want to call trans people whatever you feel like.
When you are nasty behind someone’s back it’s still you showing off how much of a mean killjoy you are practicing up to be to somebody’s face someday and that you are proud of being a mean ass killjoy. Then you get upset because ta da - people treat you like a mean killjoy. How unpredictable!
What point do you think you’re making mate…?
Are you actually gonna go with the idea that knowing information is a bad thing and we should all work off instinct and assumptions instead?
See any issue with that idea? Might it lead to ignorant comments like yours do you think?
See any issue with your idea that you should let “what people tell you” override your own intelligence? Must not have too much of it if you are in favor of that.
I don’t see that point anywhere mate. I do enjoy the irony in your last sentence though, you’re so intelligent that you incorrectly accused a group of people of misgendering someone.
Anyway this clearly leads nowhere good, just try and have a think about it buddy :) x
I do enjoy the irony of you telling me to “think about it”, while you like to simply parrot third-party statements instead of thinking about anything.
You could always avoid thinking about it and just defer to the dictionary definition of gender, common fucking decency, and the visual and social cues presented to you rather than making assumptions about peoples genitals and genetics - or worse yet, demanding to inspect them for yourself.
Putting aside the fact that the consensus of the experts in the fields of lexicograpy, medicine, science, sociology, psychiatry all disagree with you, I need to ask why you’re motivated to work so hard to be such a cunt to people? What does it benefit you? When was the last time you interacted with a trans person… or have you been beaten into a hateful frenzy by the scaremongering of your reactionary pundits of choice over an issue that has no meaningful effect on your life?
Sad.
“Disagreeing with me makes you a bad person” non-argument.
No, it’s got nothing to do with me. Disagreeing with the consensus of the experts to be a cunt to a marginalised group makes you a bad person. I’d present clear evidence from each of the communities I pointed to, but we both know I’m not reasoning you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into. It’s not as though you have any credible evidence to bring in return.
…which brings me to what I’m more interested in - you didn’t answer my question, champ - why are you working so hard to be so wrong and such a cunt at the same time?
Edit…
Eh - in the interests of getting my question answered I’ll indulge you.
Oxford English Dictionary - gender: The state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences
Cambridge dictionary - gender: a group of people in a society who share particular qualities or ways of behaving which that society associates with being male, female, or another identity
Merriam-Webster - gender: a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
Rather than putting you through the indignity of failing to provide evidence to support your position after being proven definitionally wrong, you can just answer my question (I bolded it to keep things simple for you).
Lol the “experts”. I’m sure you’ve never even heard of the “expert” who started this whole thing in the first place, John Money. A really nice man who only had the best of intentions. I dare you to look him up.
You haven’t even answered a single point I’ve made, just whatabouted every reply. Surely you at least see the irony of pointing out the irony of me telling you to think?
Do take care though, watch out for pointy things etc. :) x