Kipas are banned too. France is a laicist country. You don’t like it, you don’t have to live there - there are enough religious states out there that let you opres women to your hearts desire.
there are enough religious states out there that let you opres women to your hearts desire.
Oppressing, like this very ban? Prohibiting a woman to wear what you don’t like is exactly as oppressing as forcing her to wear something. Hiding behind secularism doesn’t make it okay, it’s still anti-feminist, and paternalistic.
My point is about the lack of respect for body autonomy, which is binary: either there is or there isn’t. Either you own your own body or the state does, which compiles the list of what you can and cannot do with it.
How do you get by without the ability to read? It is equally forbidden for other religion and men (example Kipa) to wear religious symbols in school) - same rules for everyone.
Either you own your own body or the state does, which compiles the list of what you can and cannot do with it.
Wait till you hear of the tyranny of school uniforms. Basically Afghanistan. When you grow up, I’m sure you will learn to not to think in absolutes and also to read. Save my post and read it whet the time comes.
That should be my line. I’ve already said twice that I’m arguing this under the lens of feminism and twice already you’ve conveniently ignored it to hide behind the excuse of laicism. And if that wasn’t enough now you’ve resorted to infantilizing who disagrees with you.
Forcing someone to do something because of religion is wrong and oppressive, but that doesn’t mean that forcing someone NOT to do something in the name of laicism isn’t any less oppressive.
I’m questioning whether the law is just and is applied justly, you are running on the assumption that the law must be just because it oppresses everyone equally. That’s an example of negative peace.
Anyway, I hate internet screaming contests, so I’m done. Enjoy your neoliberal state slipping into authoritarianism. Peace ✌
And again, just for my amusement since - you can’t read, same rules apply to men, women and different religion.
to infantilizing who disagrees with you.
Nah, mate - you have done it to yourself, but just not engaging with what I write and making weird absolutist statement. Obviously I don’t know if you are a teen, but I sure hope so.
but that doesn’t mean that forcing someone NOT to do something in the name of laicism isn’t any less oppressive.
So how do you make sure that girls that don’t want to wear religious closing are not forced to to so? Sometimes you have to chose, whose rights to oppress - and sorry I will be always on the side of moderates and not fundamentalist. Since as mentioned before - there is no point in appeasement of fundamentalist.
you are running on the assumption that the law must be just because it oppresses everyone equally.
No, I was more like: you don’t like secular countries - move to a religious one. Because we have a lot of the second and only a few of the first. But again - you can’t read so you will never know.
Anyway, I hate internet screaming contests,
Sure buddy.
Enjoy your neoliberal state slipping into authoritarianism.
Sure, gay Europe is in it’s downfall and will end surly soon, just after capitalism collapses. I know that argument from somewhere - and not from feminists.
Nah, mate - religious rules that only apply to one sex don’t belong in the modern world. You can try to spin it all you want - but it’s conservative Islam that tells women what to wear.
Wait till you hear about school-uniforms, basically gulag.
By the way you can still wear what ever you want - just not in school, which is like it has always been. And if your religion tells you to wear modest cloths, you are still free to do so. It only targets fundamentalist who have to wear a specific outfit. Which by the way is not specified in Quran - there is a lot of room for interpretations.
Prohibiting a woman to wear what you don’t like is exactly as oppressing as forcing her to wear something.
nice reversal, we only have to do this because countless women are being forced or pressured to wear those clothes. Stop doing that and no ban is needed
Kipas are banned too. France is a laicist country. You don’t like it, you don’t have to live there - there are enough religious states out there that let you opres women to your hearts desire.
Ah the ultimate argument for when you can’t make a reasonable solution
Oppressing, like this very ban? Prohibiting a woman to wear what you don’t like is exactly as oppressing as forcing her to wear something. Hiding behind secularism doesn’t make it okay, it’s still anti-feminist, and paternalistic.
My point is about the lack of respect for body autonomy, which is binary: either there is or there isn’t. Either you own your own body or the state does, which compiles the list of what you can and cannot do with it.
How do you get by without the ability to read? It is equally forbidden for other religion and men (example Kipa) to wear religious symbols in school) - same rules for everyone.
Wait till you hear of the tyranny of school uniforms. Basically Afghanistan. When you grow up, I’m sure you will learn to not to think in absolutes and also to read. Save my post and read it whet the time comes.
That should be my line. I’ve already said twice that I’m arguing this under the lens of feminism and twice already you’ve conveniently ignored it to hide behind the excuse of laicism. And if that wasn’t enough now you’ve resorted to infantilizing who disagrees with you.
Forcing someone to do something because of religion is wrong and oppressive, but that doesn’t mean that forcing someone NOT to do something in the name of laicism isn’t any less oppressive.
I’m questioning whether the law is just and is applied justly, you are running on the assumption that the law must be just because it oppresses everyone equally. That’s an example of negative peace.
Anyway, I hate internet screaming contests, so I’m done. Enjoy your neoliberal state slipping into authoritarianism. Peace ✌
And again, just for my amusement since - you can’t read, same rules apply to men, women and different religion.
Nah, mate - you have done it to yourself, but just not engaging with what I write and making weird absolutist statement. Obviously I don’t know if you are a teen, but I sure hope so.
So how do you make sure that girls that don’t want to wear religious closing are not forced to to so? Sometimes you have to chose, whose rights to oppress - and sorry I will be always on the side of moderates and not fundamentalist. Since as mentioned before - there is no point in appeasement of fundamentalist.
No, I was more like: you don’t like secular countries - move to a religious one. Because we have a lot of the second and only a few of the first. But again - you can’t read so you will never know.
Sure buddy.
Sure, gay Europe is in it’s downfall and will end surly soon, just after capitalism collapses. I know that argument from somewhere - and not from feminists.
The fact that it also applies to men is not an argument in your discussion.
It’s sad that freedom has to be given up for those few who are oppressed.
All these laws do is divide people. They’re racist laws wrapped in a thin layer of good intentions and nationalism.
Nah, mate - religious rules that only apply to one sex don’t belong in the modern world. You can try to spin it all you want - but it’s conservative Islam that tells women what to wear.
And now it’s the government telling women what to wear, which is even worse as it takes everyone’s freedom, not only those who are oppressed.
Wait till you hear about school-uniforms, basically gulag.
By the way you can still wear what ever you want - just not in school, which is like it has always been. And if your religion tells you to wear modest cloths, you are still free to do so. It only targets fundamentalist who have to wear a specific outfit. Which by the way is not specified in Quran - there is a lot of room for interpretations.
nice reversal, we only have to do this because countless women are being forced or pressured to wear those clothes. Stop doing that and no ban is needed