It’s really unfortunate that the general public is so bad at nuance. I’m sure there’s an uptick in people who can’t distinguish between criticism of the ccp and of Chinese/Asian people in general. Mixed with influence of shitty American politics, it turns into more racist actions as described. I am slightly curious about the control stats on the increased reporting of violent actions such as coughing and spitting though. I feel like the general service industry has seen an uptick in that behaviour since covid started. Really hard not to lose faith in humanity while working in the service industry.
The issue of wealthy foreign investors buying up housing is specifically an issue of the wealthy investors, not all Chinese people. Again I don’t expect the less nuanced public to know how to keep issues separate.
There are obvious real issues which inspire the friction that is happening. I.E. Nothing being done by the Canadian government about the foreign investors, and shit like the ccp authoritarian police that are able to spread ccp influence in Canada. They also do not mind using unethical means to spread or enhance their influence, which makes it harder for any ccp critical rhetoric to influence Chinese populations inside and outside of Canada. Mixed with any violent racism from other Canadians, I only see more divisiveness and difficulty finding cooperation.
I think the latter issue needs more help from the Chinese Canadians, although anything criticizing the ccp is often labeled as criticizing the Chinese people. Again, by every group. The extreme defensiveness of many Chinese Canadians towards the unethical authoritarian regime is likely making this entire issue much more difficult to solve. and again I think that particular issue needs more influence from the Canadian government on the general public distinguishing Chinese Canadians from the ccp, because apparently some idiots can’t comprehend these things as exclusive and individual. The Chinese Canadians should be just as vocally rallied against the authoritarian regime influencing our country. this can be hard if there is still an otherwise strong positive opinion about china as a whole, because separating china as a whole and the authoritarian government that holds it is again not first thought for many people. strong family associations and ties can also make this extremely difficult. like most things, it’s a multidimensional concept hell that’s completely unique to each individual. The more other Canadians see Chinese Canadians criticizing the ccp, I think the more the concepts can be separated by the less nuanced individuals. Hopefully this attitude would also make its way to the idiots who do the hate crimes, and racial divisiveness could be lowered. Is there anything more the Canadian government can do to discourage ccp police authoritative power in Canada? Or to encourage Chinese Canadians in anonymously weeding them out while giving a platform to Chinese Canadians who are against ccp authoritarian influence?
Again, I believe encouraging the Canadian mindsets of communication, patience, and cohesiveness are the only ways to improve things. Recognize, denounce, and discourage the bad actors on every side.
I expect exactly none of this to happen. Ccp gonna ccp. Shitty people gonna shitty people. People are going to continue being divisive and segregationalist instead of growing together. I’ll just sit here and continue being sad as it all happens.
The Chinese Canadians should be just as rallied against the authoritarian regime influencing our country. The more other Canadians see Chinese Canadians criticizing the ccp, I think the more the concepts can be separated by the less nuanced individuals.
The sad reality is many still have family there and they justifiably fear reprisal.
The news needs a new scapegoat. The CCP hasn’t gotten any worse than in the past, in fact on many fronts it’s gotten better and less corrupt. Unfortunately, China is no longer a small developing economy that we can export labour to but a large one that competes with Western economies for key emerging markets like EVs and renewable energy.
Are you seriously suggesting that the victims of the aggression need to mollify the perpetrators by loudly shouting how they’re a) not in China, and thus b) not in the CPC? Fucking HELL that’s next-level white privilege in action! What’s next? “She should probably have worn longer skirts”? “Maybe if she wasn’t out so late at night…”?
The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. When they can’t come to grips with that. They will never even see them as individuals. It goes no further than a monolith of which there are some who happen to be living in Canada but never Canadian. Gotta walk around making public displays of appeasement so peanut over there won’t be shaking his is boot because they’re all CCP agents until proven otherwise.
you did a great job at ignoring everything i said and then misrepresenting me.
"The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. "
this is directly antithetical to my beliefs and actions. although that won’t stop you from saying it.
and at no point did i even mildly suggest that chinese canadians have to prove they aren’t CCP agents, or insinuate that they are any less canadian than i am.
however i did suggest that a more open dialogue on the subject could help to dissuade that from being a popular mindset for people incapable of understanding nuanced situations.
can’t have a single conversation without this strawman bullshit.
from my understanding, there is enough reason to believe in and want to deal with CCP instating their authority in canada to affect canadians. i did also suggest that there might be difficulty in dealing with it openly due to pressure from an unethical authoritarian regime.
if your argument is that there is no CCP influence problem, that’s another conversation, and i’m always available for new information.
if your argument is that we shouldn’t care even if there is CCP influence, then i disagree with you.
again, i am not and never would be defending the assholes or behavior stated in op’s article. if you could just say “no, stop, that’s bad.” and have the issue be fixed, this would be a lot more simple. that apparently won’t stop you from ignoring that nuance exists.
i have never said anything negative about “chinese canadians” because that is a diverse and populous group of every kind of individual and mindset. just like any other large group of canadians that fit any other group label. that being said, i have a in intense loathing of the CCP and other authoritarian regimes. i say the same shit about russia. i also don’t agree with labelling all russians as evil, just because of the shitty situation caused by the authoritarian regime in charge.
i am just doing my best to understand and react to a complicated and nuanced situation that affects many people, as well as the stability of our political structure. if you disagree with any of my points, make a note on that point. don’t ignore my intentionally phrased statements so that you can put words in my mouth and strawman my intentions into something else.
you are helping nobody and doing nothing to improve the situation.
maybe stop being an asshole and actually take part in a conversation.
Thanks for ignoring all nuance and intent, and taking a complicated issue with many different large groups of human beings, and boiling it down to one simple divisive segregational perspective that allows no nuanced understanding or solution.
There’s more than one issue at play here. I’m not, and would never be defending the racist asshole’s in their actions. Unfortunately it’s a reality that many human-beings suck. I’m trying to address the issues that have been exacerbating this activity.
Rather, I had no assumption that the racism was coming exclusively from white people in the first place, so I’m finding your emphasis weird.
Keep in mind the issue is of different informational, cultural, and political manifolds interacting. My statement wasn’t to “blame”. Chinese Canadians, but to encourage a system that both deals with the very real trouble with the CCP, and encouraging an open dialogue that emphasises the separation of the real issue from race. This is to solve underlying problems, and to remove the excuses and ignorance of the bad actors.
This dialogue is currently discouraged due to a pro CCP ideology that’s so strong that the CCP are able to police communities within our country. This is why my emphasis, and call for better government solutions to allow anonymous defense for Chinese Canadians against CCP police, and encourage removal of the CCP from our country, regardless of how many actually support the CCP.
Especially if things are happening like the CCP threatening or holding family members that are still in China. If this issue isn’t addressed, I don’t see it improving.
I also emphasized that the foreign investor problem is one of government regulation, so no victim blaming there either.
Do you have a better solution to the actual problem? Or are you just going to ignore all of that and continue trying to instigate a race war?
Jesus fucking Christ, you’ve got "CCP"1 Tourette’s!
And you’re still saying that the victims of aggression need to do things to mollify the perpetrators. Holy fucking SHIT has Canada degraded since I left.
Either that or looking at it from outside has opened my eyes to realities that were always there: Canada’s shit stinks like anybody else’s. It just likes to pretend that it comes out roses.
ok. you don’t want to talk. you just want to be another asshole who lives and dies by strawman and red herring. you seem upset by the focus on criticizing the CCP. i think criticising the CCP is very important, which is why the emphasis. do you by chance support this fascist political institution?
i get the feeling you won’t answer that question. strawman life and such.
The “CCP” doesn’t exist. The CPC is a festering pile of filth headed by a sociopath.
That said, living here in China I have less interaction with the CPC than you’re suggesting all Chinese-descended people in Canada have. Which is so risible on the face of it that you can safely be dismissed as an alarmist twat trying to excuse your racist demand for loud loyalty proclamations from Chinese victims of racist aggression instead of, you know, hunting down the violent shitheads who commit the acts.
As the son of (German) immigrants, friends to immigrants of many nations (including Ukraine, Russia, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, China, …) it has always amused me when white, North American assholes on the one hand treat each and every (visible) immigrant group with hostility and make demands for shows of loyalty, and then proceed to wonder why said immigrants show little loyalty to their new neighbours. Could the fact that dumb assholes like you who insist (visible) immigrants need to prove their loyalty to you personally are the reason that such immigrants tend to hang out in their own circles and treat dumb white fucks with hostility and suspicion?
hey at least i got you to call them shit. so you are denying they have any interaction and influence in canada, and fuss over the name. CCP is commonly accepted.
i also didn’t claim that chinese people in canada are all connected to the CCP. i did say that there should be more open dialogues stating that clearly for the dunderheads that can’t grasp that fact. oh wait, that’s “victim blaming” while instead i should be just trying to inflate into a race-war?
friend i think you just racist, and use that as an excuse to not partake in actual conversation. or you just really really want people to fight each-other because of their race. you ignored my comparison to russians, made up more strawmen, and then made blanket statements about an entire race of people as if they’re some amalgamate whole.
something i haven’t done.
you could have just said “i don’t think there’s as much influencing from the CCP as you are lead to believe.”
It’s really unfortunate that the general public is so bad at nuance. I’m sure there’s an uptick in people who can’t distinguish between criticism of the ccp and of Chinese/Asian people in general. Mixed with influence of shitty American politics, it turns into more racist actions as described. I am slightly curious about the control stats on the increased reporting of violent actions such as coughing and spitting though. I feel like the general service industry has seen an uptick in that behaviour since covid started. Really hard not to lose faith in humanity while working in the service industry.
The issue of wealthy foreign investors buying up housing is specifically an issue of the wealthy investors, not all Chinese people. Again I don’t expect the less nuanced public to know how to keep issues separate.
There are obvious real issues which inspire the friction that is happening. I.E. Nothing being done by the Canadian government about the foreign investors, and shit like the ccp authoritarian police that are able to spread ccp influence in Canada. They also do not mind using unethical means to spread or enhance their influence, which makes it harder for any ccp critical rhetoric to influence Chinese populations inside and outside of Canada. Mixed with any violent racism from other Canadians, I only see more divisiveness and difficulty finding cooperation.
I think the latter issue needs more help from the Chinese Canadians, although anything criticizing the ccp is often labeled as criticizing the Chinese people. Again, by every group. The extreme defensiveness of many Chinese Canadians towards the unethical authoritarian regime is likely making this entire issue much more difficult to solve. and again I think that particular issue needs more influence from the Canadian government on the general public distinguishing Chinese Canadians from the ccp, because apparently some idiots can’t comprehend these things as exclusive and individual. The Chinese Canadians should be just as vocally rallied against the authoritarian regime influencing our country. this can be hard if there is still an otherwise strong positive opinion about china as a whole, because separating china as a whole and the authoritarian government that holds it is again not first thought for many people. strong family associations and ties can also make this extremely difficult. like most things, it’s a multidimensional concept hell that’s completely unique to each individual. The more other Canadians see Chinese Canadians criticizing the ccp, I think the more the concepts can be separated by the less nuanced individuals. Hopefully this attitude would also make its way to the idiots who do the hate crimes, and racial divisiveness could be lowered. Is there anything more the Canadian government can do to discourage ccp police authoritative power in Canada? Or to encourage Chinese Canadians in anonymously weeding them out while giving a platform to Chinese Canadians who are against ccp authoritarian influence?
Again, I believe encouraging the Canadian mindsets of communication, patience, and cohesiveness are the only ways to improve things. Recognize, denounce, and discourage the bad actors on every side.
I expect exactly none of this to happen. Ccp gonna ccp. Shitty people gonna shitty people. People are going to continue being divisive and segregationalist instead of growing together. I’ll just sit here and continue being sad as it all happens.
The sad reality is many still have family there and they justifiably fear reprisal.
The news needs a new scapegoat. The CCP hasn’t gotten any worse than in the past, in fact on many fronts it’s gotten better and less corrupt. Unfortunately, China is no longer a small developing economy that we can export labour to but a large one that competes with Western economies for key emerging markets like EVs and renewable energy.
Are you seriously suggesting that the victims of the aggression need to mollify the perpetrators by loudly shouting how they’re a) not in China, and thus b) not in the CPC? Fucking HELL that’s next-level white privilege in action! What’s next? “She should probably have worn longer skirts”? “Maybe if she wasn’t out so late at night…”?
The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. When they can’t come to grips with that. They will never even see them as individuals. It goes no further than a monolith of which there are some who happen to be living in Canada but never Canadian. Gotta walk around making public displays of appeasement so peanut over there won’t be shaking his is boot because they’re all CCP agents until proven otherwise.
you did a great job at ignoring everything i said and then misrepresenting me.
"The perpetual foreigner mindset. They will never see certain people as Canadian. "
this is directly antithetical to my beliefs and actions. although that won’t stop you from saying it.
and at no point did i even mildly suggest that chinese canadians have to prove they aren’t CCP agents, or insinuate that they are any less canadian than i am.
however i did suggest that a more open dialogue on the subject could help to dissuade that from being a popular mindset for people incapable of understanding nuanced situations.
can’t have a single conversation without this strawman bullshit.
from my understanding, there is enough reason to believe in and want to deal with CCP instating their authority in canada to affect canadians. i did also suggest that there might be difficulty in dealing with it openly due to pressure from an unethical authoritarian regime.
if your argument is that there is no CCP influence problem, that’s another conversation, and i’m always available for new information. if your argument is that we shouldn’t care even if there is CCP influence, then i disagree with you.
again, i am not and never would be defending the assholes or behavior stated in op’s article. if you could just say “no, stop, that’s bad.” and have the issue be fixed, this would be a lot more simple. that apparently won’t stop you from ignoring that nuance exists.
i have never said anything negative about “chinese canadians” because that is a diverse and populous group of every kind of individual and mindset. just like any other large group of canadians that fit any other group label. that being said, i have a in intense loathing of the CCP and other authoritarian regimes. i say the same shit about russia. i also don’t agree with labelling all russians as evil, just because of the shitty situation caused by the authoritarian regime in charge.
i am just doing my best to understand and react to a complicated and nuanced situation that affects many people, as well as the stability of our political structure. if you disagree with any of my points, make a note on that point. don’t ignore my intentionally phrased statements so that you can put words in my mouth and strawman my intentions into something else.
you are helping nobody and doing nothing to improve the situation.
maybe stop being an asshole and actually take part in a conversation.
Again, you are calling for the victims to change their behaviour, not the perpetrators.
Fucking Hell is white privilege embedded deep within you!
Thanks for ignoring all nuance and intent, and taking a complicated issue with many different large groups of human beings, and boiling it down to one simple divisive segregational perspective that allows no nuanced understanding or solution.
There’s more than one issue at play here. I’m not, and would never be defending the racist asshole’s in their actions. Unfortunately it’s a reality that many human-beings suck. I’m trying to address the issues that have been exacerbating this activity.
Rather, I had no assumption that the racism was coming exclusively from white people in the first place, so I’m finding your emphasis weird.
Keep in mind the issue is of different informational, cultural, and political manifolds interacting. My statement wasn’t to “blame”. Chinese Canadians, but to encourage a system that both deals with the very real trouble with the CCP, and encouraging an open dialogue that emphasises the separation of the real issue from race. This is to solve underlying problems, and to remove the excuses and ignorance of the bad actors.
This dialogue is currently discouraged due to a pro CCP ideology that’s so strong that the CCP are able to police communities within our country. This is why my emphasis, and call for better government solutions to allow anonymous defense for Chinese Canadians against CCP police, and encourage removal of the CCP from our country, regardless of how many actually support the CCP.
Especially if things are happening like the CCP threatening or holding family members that are still in China. If this issue isn’t addressed, I don’t see it improving.
I also emphasized that the foreign investor problem is one of government regulation, so no victim blaming there either.
Do you have a better solution to the actual problem? Or are you just going to ignore all of that and continue trying to instigate a race war?
Jesus fucking Christ, you’ve got "CCP"1 Tourette’s!
And you’re still saying that the victims of aggression need to do things to mollify the perpetrators. Holy fucking SHIT has Canada degraded since I left.
Either that or looking at it from outside has opened my eyes to realities that were always there: Canada’s shit stinks like anybody else’s. It just likes to pretend that it comes out roses.
1 No such thing.
ok. you don’t want to talk. you just want to be another asshole who lives and dies by strawman and red herring. you seem upset by the focus on criticizing the CCP. i think criticising the CCP is very important, which is why the emphasis. do you by chance support this fascist political institution?
i get the feeling you won’t answer that question. strawman life and such.
The “CCP” doesn’t exist. The CPC is a festering pile of filth headed by a sociopath.
That said, living here in China I have less interaction with the CPC than you’re suggesting all Chinese-descended people in Canada have. Which is so risible on the face of it that you can safely be dismissed as an alarmist twat trying to excuse your racist demand for loud loyalty proclamations from Chinese victims of racist aggression instead of, you know, hunting down the violent shitheads who commit the acts.
As the son of (German) immigrants, friends to immigrants of many nations (including Ukraine, Russia, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, China, …) it has always amused me when white, North American assholes on the one hand treat each and every (visible) immigrant group with hostility and make demands for shows of loyalty, and then proceed to wonder why said immigrants show little loyalty to their new neighbours. Could the fact that dumb assholes like you who insist (visible) immigrants need to prove their loyalty to you personally are the reason that such immigrants tend to hang out in their own circles and treat dumb white fucks with hostility and suspicion?
Nah. It’s the “CCP”.
You utter berk.
hey at least i got you to call them shit. so you are denying they have any interaction and influence in canada, and fuss over the name. CCP is commonly accepted.
i also didn’t claim that chinese people in canada are all connected to the CCP. i did say that there should be more open dialogues stating that clearly for the dunderheads that can’t grasp that fact. oh wait, that’s “victim blaming” while instead i should be just trying to inflate into a race-war?
friend i think you just racist, and use that as an excuse to not partake in actual conversation. or you just really really want people to fight each-other because of their race. you ignored my comparison to russians, made up more strawmen, and then made blanket statements about an entire race of people as if they’re some amalgamate whole.
something i haven’t done.
you could have just said “i don’t think there’s as much influencing from the CCP as you are lead to believe.”
but that would almost be a conversation.
you sad angry person. good luck with that.