LGBTQ+ groups and drag performers suing the state argued Monday that Senate Bill 12 violates constitutionally-protected rights. The new law is set to go into effect on Friday unless a federal judge blocks it.
I mean yeah they do. My parents took me to r rated movies since I was in grade school if I wanted to see it, bought me m rated games etc. They had a right to raise me how they want and part of that was making sure I knew what make believe was beforehand and that some things are beyond me in years and I turned out just fine.
So that’s where you’re trying to go now that you’re shitty opinion is being called into question… shift it from parental rights, to non-government organization ratings systems. Okay, let’s actually take a look at those since you seem to think they’re some form of absolute decision:
Established by Motion Picture Association in 1968, the rating system was created to help parents make informed viewing choices for their children.
G – General Audiences
All ages admitted. Nothing that would offend parents for viewing by children.
PG – Parental Guidance Suggested
Some material may not be suitable for children. Parents urged to give “parental guidance”. May contain some material parents might not like for their young children.
PG-13 – Parents Strongly Cautioned
Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Parents are urged to be cautious. Some material may be inappropriate for pre-teenagers.
R – Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian. Contains some adult material. Parents are urged to learn more about the film before taking their young children with them.
NC-17 – Adults Only
No one 17 and under admitted. Clearly adult. Children are not admitted.
The ESRB rating system was founded by the video game industry in 1994 after consulting a wide range of child development and academic experts, analyzing other rating systems, and conducting nationwide research with parents. ESRB found that parents wanted a rating system that has both age-based categories and concise and impartial information regarding content.
Everyone
Content is generally suitable for all ages. May contain minimal cartoon, fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language.
Everyone 10+
Content is generally suitable for ages 10 and up. May contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language and/or minimal suggestive themes.
Teen
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequest use of strong language.
Mature 17+
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
Adults Only 18+
Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and.or gambling with real currency.
Both of these systems exist specifically to educate parents for their children so they can make a decision. Both of these systems are run by non-government organizations related directly to the industries the ratings apply to. Stores can sell Adults Only 18+ games if they want, most choose not to. Likewise movie theaters can screen NC-17 films if they want, most choose not to. There are no laws requiring these ratings, or even requiring businesses to abide by these ratings suggestions. They are simply there to allow parents to make educated decisions.
Back to your assertion:
Do kids get to go see rated r movies? How about M rated games?
Yes kids go to see R-rated movies all the time. Parents take kids to see these in theaters every day. Parents buy M-rated video games for their children under 17 all the time as well. Because these are decisions being made by parents for their kids. It is not a government mandate and should not be one.
The exact same thing applies to drag shows. There is nothing inherently sexual about dressing in drag. Traditional theatre (like Shakespeare) had men playing all parts, including the female parts in female costume. Almost all media you see will have actors and hosts wearing makeup. All TV shows and movies obviously, but traditional theatre uses a lot of makesup as well to ensure the correct look is being provided to the audience. A stage actor in makeup often will look crazy when you’re up close, because they need to compensate for things like extreme direct lighting on stage.
If you believe that dressing in non-traditional clothing and makeup is inherently sexual or deviant, that’s entirely on your perception of the world, and you might want to do some deep introspection instead of tryung to force that belief on others.
It’s really not, though; it’s not violent and it’s not sexual. Male-presenting children’s characters wear female clothes all the time without any controversy; Bugs Bunny is constantly dressing up as a girl bunny, Donald Duck wears a dress in “Donald in Mathmagic Land,” and you can literally make Mario wear a wedding dress in Super Mario Odyssey.
(I’m on team Let Your Kids Watch R-Rated Movies If You Want, but even if you think society should get to restrict what parents can show their kids, drag is not something people have generally considered obscene or otherwise had a problem with)
With parent’s permission? Yes. Yes they actually do. My parents bought me halo as a kid. They knew what kind of content it included. I have friends who grew up on horror movies, I wasn’t allowed to see those, but I was allowed to watch shit with more of a crass humor R rating. Hell my mom bought me animal house when I was 16.
It’s not kids “get around them” it’s that parents are informed of the potentially controversial content and have full permission to decide if they want to access it. All through a non governmentally mandated opt in industry standard.
Hell, in my state if you want a third glass of wine with dinner as a 14 year old you’re allowed to have it if your parent gives it to you. Horribly irresponsible parenting sure, and definitely something CPS would want to know more about, but it’s legal.
It’s on the parents to figure out what’s appropriate for their kids.
if you think about it, there’s really only something wrong with drag queens reading children’s books to kids if a) you’re a pedophile and you assume they are too, (they’re not.) or b) you’re a religious zealot who likes to tell people what to wear.
Either way, you’re allowed to decide your kids shouldn’t see that. but then, parents of other kids get to make that same decision. Banning Drag Story Hour to protect the kids is a blatant and unnecessary intrusion.
So you dont support parental rights?
Do kids get to go see rated r movies? How about M rated games? Same concept.
Yes, Im aware kids get around them, but the principle is the same.
I mean yeah they do. My parents took me to r rated movies since I was in grade school if I wanted to see it, bought me m rated games etc. They had a right to raise me how they want and part of that was making sure I knew what make believe was beforehand and that some things are beyond me in years and I turned out just fine.
In my experience, people who say “I turned out fine” are usually incorrect.
I have a job, a partner, I pay taxes, what else do you want?
Would you prefer “and I didn’t turn into a serial killer?” or would you not believe that claim either?
So that’s where you’re trying to go now that you’re shitty opinion is being called into question… shift it from parental rights, to non-government organization ratings systems. Okay, let’s actually take a look at those since you seem to think they’re some form of absolute decision:
https://www.motionpictures.org/film-ratings/
https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board#Ratings
Both of these systems exist specifically to educate parents for their children so they can make a decision. Both of these systems are run by non-government organizations related directly to the industries the ratings apply to. Stores can sell Adults Only 18+ games if they want, most choose not to. Likewise movie theaters can screen NC-17 films if they want, most choose not to. There are no laws requiring these ratings, or even requiring businesses to abide by these ratings suggestions. They are simply there to allow parents to make educated decisions.
Back to your assertion:
Yes kids go to see R-rated movies all the time. Parents take kids to see these in theaters every day. Parents buy M-rated video games for their children under 17 all the time as well. Because these are decisions being made by parents for their kids. It is not a government mandate and should not be one.
The exact same thing applies to drag shows. There is nothing inherently sexual about dressing in drag. Traditional theatre (like Shakespeare) had men playing all parts, including the female parts in female costume. Almost all media you see will have actors and hosts wearing makeup. All TV shows and movies obviously, but traditional theatre uses a lot of makesup as well to ensure the correct look is being provided to the audience. A stage actor in makeup often will look crazy when you’re up close, because they need to compensate for things like extreme direct lighting on stage.
If you believe that dressing in non-traditional clothing and makeup is inherently sexual or deviant, that’s entirely on your perception of the world, and you might want to do some deep introspection instead of tryung to force that belief on others.
Yes. There are no laws preventing either.
Yes and yes. Any refusal to sell is purely at the retailer’s discretion. Next question?
So you dont support parents being allowed to make those choices for their own children?
Why dont you support parental rights?
Some parents also use their own discretion and let their kids enjoy that media.
It’s really not, though; it’s not violent and it’s not sexual. Male-presenting children’s characters wear female clothes all the time without any controversy; Bugs Bunny is constantly dressing up as a girl bunny, Donald Duck wears a dress in “Donald in Mathmagic Land,” and you can literally make Mario wear a wedding dress in Super Mario Odyssey.
(I’m on team Let Your Kids Watch R-Rated Movies If You Want, but even if you think society should get to restrict what parents can show their kids, drag is not something people have generally considered obscene or otherwise had a problem with)
With parent’s permission? Yes. Yes they actually do. My parents bought me halo as a kid. They knew what kind of content it included. I have friends who grew up on horror movies, I wasn’t allowed to see those, but I was allowed to watch shit with more of a crass humor R rating. Hell my mom bought me animal house when I was 16.
It’s not kids “get around them” it’s that parents are informed of the potentially controversial content and have full permission to decide if they want to access it. All through a non governmentally mandated opt in industry standard.
Hell, in my state if you want a third glass of wine with dinner as a 14 year old you’re allowed to have it if your parent gives it to you. Horribly irresponsible parenting sure, and definitely something CPS would want to know more about, but it’s legal.
It’s on the parents to figure out what’s appropriate for their kids. if you think about it, there’s really only something wrong with drag queens reading children’s books to kids if a) you’re a pedophile and you assume they are too, (they’re not.) or b) you’re a religious zealot who likes to tell people what to wear.
Either way, you’re allowed to decide your kids shouldn’t see that. but then, parents of other kids get to make that same decision. Banning Drag Story Hour to protect the kids is a blatant and unnecessary intrusion.
I saw rated R movies as a kid in the 80s all the time. Believe it or not, I’m not a depraved psychopath.