• @iopq
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    4010 months ago

    Design? No

    Fabs? The advantage is insurmountable as long as the US keeps preventing ASML from exporting EUV to China

    • @[email protected]
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      169 months ago

      Making a lithography machine that’s on par with ASML is just an engineering challenge. One that’s been solved once already by ASML, whose to say it can’t be solved again by someone else, especially if they can copy bits of the design.

      • @iopq
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        49 months ago

        It took them almost 20 years to make EUV machines that do it at scale. Canon and Nikon gave up on it.

        They also have many suppliers like Zeiss that may not be allowed to export to China, but I’m not sure about which ones are and which ones aren’t

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          39 months ago

          Things can be done a lot quickly if you are given an unlimited budget. Consider how quickly NASA got from nothing to landing on the moon, vs how long it is taking now with their much more limited budget.

          • @iopq
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            19 months ago

            Yes, but it was the “next thing” since research started in like the 1980s

            It’s actually harder to do than landing on the moon.

    • @[email protected]
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      109 months ago

      Yeah fuck that. As a Dutch citizen it should be up to our government to decide whether we let ASML export. But no, it’s got to be the Americans.

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        9 months ago

        that’s a micron of the boot the global south are feeling daily. They have not even outright taking your stuff while forcing you to pay for the gun they pointed at your face yet

      • @[email protected]
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        09 months ago

        The Dutch government is ultimately making the decisions, they could remove all export restrictions if they wanted but that would really sour its relationship with the US gov’t.

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        09 months ago

        The US sold patents to ASML under the condition that they would listen. The patents are from US publicly funded universities. Invent your own tech and you can export it anywhere you want